Are certain states bad to fuel in?

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  1. razor1983

    razor1983 Medium Load Member

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    All the IFTA credits aside...don’t fuel in corn states unless you want algae growing in your tanks and clogging up your filters
     
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  3. Justrucking2

    Justrucking2 Road Train Member

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    I would be more concerned on whom I bought my fuel from. The big mega chains in most cases add bio or other watered down crap to their fuel, Flying J and Pilot for example. Diesel and water are not a good mix, and it hits your fuel economy too. That is what I would be concerned with. And I hope you are tracking your own IFTA miles. How much have your quarterly payments been running? Some outfits do not properly record and or just steal the money outright from you by overcharging you for IFTA.
     
  4. Buckeye 60

    Buckeye 60 Road Train Member

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    actually corn is one of the few crops that is grown in all 50 states and there is no such thing as a wild corn plant it will not survive anywhere on this planet for more than 2 or 3 years altho with cultivation by man can be grown anywhere on the planet outside of the artic areas ........ most scientific crackpots believe that corn was brought by an alien race from a distant planet. ... corn has many many uses that we haven't been discovered yet but sadly putting it in diesel fuel should not be one of them ..... I am glad I am not the only one that think some unscrupulous companies cheat there leased drivers on the ifta taxes either by not figurin it properly or just plain graft. .. I am sure they charge a administration fee to make it legal ..... but the best advice is to keep track on your own ..... fuel and miles driven in each state and check it against what your company has charged you. ...also I have heard that some companies just take out of your settlements and not giving the owner the figures of how they arrived at that amount there by keeping the owner in the dark Makin it easier to pad a little bit for themselves. ..... I think you should be aware that trucking is a tough buisness and most of the nice guy's get run out of the industry and there are many companies that openly steAL from there contractors .... oh it's done through shyster lawyers nice and legal but still is stealing
     
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  5. bryan21384

    bryan21384 Road Train Member

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    This owner operator explained it to me at a truck stop in Ohio. He showed me his documentation that he had handy. Some drivers prefer to pay at the pump in higher taxed states (PA, NY, CA and such). They try to get the credit at each quarter so they don't owe as much. Of course if your elog doesn't record mileage between state lines, you'll have to do it yourself. Other drivers just fuel in the states where the tax is lower, thus cheaper fuel prices(OK, MS, SC, MO). They just worry about it at each qaurter. That particular OO has a fleet and required his drivers to record mileage. He always tried to fill up in PA or high tax states and basically run out of there so he wouldn't have as much tax liability. He would get the credit, maybe like 50 cents or so running out of there, maybe down 81 for instance. He tells his drivers don't get fuel in Oregon because they don't do IFTA at the pump. He charged his driver 30 dollars out of his settlement for getting fuel in Oregon because money owed even though they don't pay at the pump. He told me every state has a fuel tax, but if you get it in Oregon, however much mileage you run, you have to pay them regardless. He was looking at his profits from a quarterly standpoint. He chose to pay at the pump. He did say this.....if you get to a state that has a decent sized fuel tax, like IL, and get the cheapest pump price there, you did yourself all kinds of favors. Credit running out of Illinois, and good rate on fuel.
     
  6. Ridgeline

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    They don't?

    Wow, I've been having truck fuel there all the time and it all shows up on my Ifta reports.

    what a bunch of crap.
     
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  7. bryan21384

    bryan21384 Road Train Member

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    No IFTA for Oregon. In fact, you have to get permits. I think another driver mentioned that in this thread. The guy at the truck stop told me to pay attention to price difference going up I-5. Oregon is going to be cheaper than California and Washington. He was telling that his driver should have got fuel before he crossed the Oregon line going northbound. A lot of people who are independent contractors don't realize it, but many companies deduct for IFTA out of each settlement. He mentioned in of his drivers who used to work for Landstar. That driver never noticed the deductions until it was pointed out to him. It's so important for people to really get experience and learn this industry. It seems to be so many palms that have to be greased before a driver turns a profit.
     
  8. gokiddogo

    gokiddogo Road Train Member

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    Oregon doesn't do ifta, period.
    The calculation is the same when it comes to ifta. For Oregon you will neither get a credit for fuel purchased nor an amount due. Any fuel bought in Oregon will factor into your average mpg, and that's it. Instead you will pay their mileage rate tax. 0.2020 I believe, for 5 axles/80,000 pounds.
    CA is .57 and WA is .494. So whatever the lowest price you can find in Oregon and compare that + .494 to whatever the lowest you can find in WA or +.57 compared to the lowest you can find in CA and that will be the lowest priced fuel.
    3.00 in Oregon is the same as 3.494 in WA is the same as 3.57 in CA. Or start with whatever place you are sitting in presently and work the math backwards.

    I think I am done giving fuel tax lessons. It really is not a cryptic enigma.
     
  9. Ridgeline

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    NOPE .... YOU are RIGHT, I am wrong, I just called one of the carriers who are taking money out and they explained why it shows up.

    This is something I missed a long time ago and will now have to figure it out.
     
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  10. RStewart

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    One more thing to consider is don't buy for in a higher tax state just because you want a refund. I buy the cheapest fuel I can cause the fuel tax I pay is based on miles ran not fuel purchased. It can cost you more money buying fuel in high tax states. Just buy the cheapest fuel and if you haven't paid enough fuel tax at the pump for all the miles you've ran then pay the difference at the quarter. Just remember, fuel tax is calculated by miles ran NOT fuel purchased.
     
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  11. bryan21384

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    Right.....folks really should consider driving at a rate where the truck has a sweet spot......my truck's sweet spot is about 62-63 mph. I can get 7 mph under heavy loads traveling that speed. Also if one is really worried about the tax, just buy the fuel you need for your run and try to maximize it.
     
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