I have an idea for a side business that I was thinking of starting and wanted some feed back. I was think of starting a "second opinion" kind of service. I would basically look at estimates and/or bills from repairs and try to find out if the shop had done a good job of diagnosing and if the repairs have a chance of actually fixing the problem. If repairs have been made would look at the RO and see of the repairs made actually followed proper troubleshooting procedure, and if you should try and talk to the dealership and try and get some money back. I have been a tech in a dealership for about 16 years and basically speaking would only let 10% of the people I work with, work on my truck. This would be a per use basis so no monthly fees. Basically something that owner operators could use instead of a maintenance company. That is the basic idea. I would love your feedback good or bad, things that could be useful to your business.
Are you getting the proper repair?????
Discussion in 'Ask An Owner Operator' started by Freightliner_Man, Jan 17, 2016.
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Here's the problem with that, no one knows you or your reputation at all. Every mechanic has many different ways to do things as different opinions. Ask 5 mechanics about your symptoms and many different answers or opinions will present themselves. I have a full service diesel repair and everything doesn't go perfect every time and that's just life, it's how we deal with it if it affects the customer. I warranty all my work and have to lose money here and there to keep customers happy and that's just the nature of customer service. There's not a shop on earth that will give you money back or anything like that on someone else's opinion. What are you a tech on? You would have to be a tech in every engine and truck to be useful to the masses, and generally if a dealer tech the troubleshooting process they use is overboard and shows lack of experience. Not to be a bubble burster but I don't think it would be a business that would ever make money. What if your diagnoses is wrong and the shop was right? How are you going to make that right?
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I'm not looking to actually do any T/S but look at an estimate or completed repair and see if it actually makes sense. I will give you an example of what happened in the shop I work for this week. EPA 07 DD15 came in for soot level high codes. Tech looks at it and said it needed DPF's replaced. Customer approved the repairs. Tech installed the DPF's. soot level high codes are still present. Why? Because replacing DPF's will not clear the codes. Have to actually complete a regen to get that code to go inactive. The next tech gets the truck and actually does a regen and finds it needs a doser block. The customer should not have had to pay for DPF's. The first guy never attempted a regen, he used the shotgun approach..The first guy was lazy and ignorant. That's the basic situation is what I'm wanting to help with. I would give some info about what could have been done differently or advise on questions to ask to make sure the tech did a god job of t/s, and customer could use that info to negotiate and get some money back. He with the most information wins. You did pose some good questions, and tings I would need to think about. Thank you for the input. -
Customer approved repairs so no money will ever be reimbursed. Every repair cannot go perfectly. Dealership techs are held in very low regard by the trucking industry and most of them are very much textbook parts changers and don't know how to diagnose without a factory trouble tree. A Freightliner tech in general doesn't know much about a cat because there are no cats in freightliners anymore. I have 5 new 2016 and 15 freightliners and the techs are slow and almost useless. I have dddl just like they do but they are under warranty so let them have it. Trucks go in 4 or 5 times and then problem is resolved. Just the way it is nowadays. There are good techs out there for sure but very few. One tech to diagnose then another tech to repair whatever they deem the problem. That stupidity at its worst. One guy to work on one truck so everything that gets done is done by one person so no blame can be moved. We do tons of work on emissions trucks and it's not rocket science but these dealers just have to many hands in the cookie jar and to many rules and protocols and techs that only passed the test and have very little actual experience.
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I toured the Detroit diesel plant this fall and the people putting everything together are nothing but robots in there and everything is computerized and they actually have no idea what they are doing.
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Back in the early 90s I had thought about something similar
My plan was going to do services and basic repairs such as belts and hoses and brakes to make money when there was no diagnostic and second opinions. My premises was not to do overhauls or major repairs and charge a fee to verify the repair order or check and clear codes, I figured that this approach would maintain a reputation of honesty as the shop not fix them -
You being a independent shop owner isn't exactly my target audience. I can see why a shop owner may think this is a dumb idea. I would actually love to hear from anyone that is not a shop owner. People that have one truck or maybe several that have some input. Is there a need for anything like this in the market place. There seems to nothing like this out there? -
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I am a truck owner as well, 19 of them. I like your ambition for sure, hope it works out for you.
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Kind of but not on a large scale I work on my own trucks and for other folks but I am particular about what I take on as I stay busy with what I am doing and don't want to have to work 100 hrs a week to stay caught up
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