As EOBR mandate, CSA 2010 loom, on-board technology takes center stage

my MAIN complaint about the HOS (and the EOBRs now that i dont have a qualcomm) is.....
say i am almost out of my 70 at 8 AM, i have to be 300 miles to my appointment by 5 AM.
according to the law i have to STOP in the morning and try to sleep till midnight so i can be rested enough to drive that last 300 miles to my delivery at 5 AM.
you tell me how that is safe?

 

In that same scenario your "Log Book" would tell you the same exact thing,,,EOBR=Logbook its that simple...

If your "illegal with a EOBR,your Illegal with a logbook,your still out of hours,nothing about the HOS has changed

In your scenario the only thing i see is you didnt plan your trip accordinly to your available HOS.

If im reading you right your out of hrs at 8am(say today) correct?
And your appt is for 5am next morning correct?
and you have 300 miles to reach said appt,correct?(and for the sake of the discussion 300 miles@55mph=6hrs)

Okay with that the scenario let me see if i can break it on down 4 u
Line#2@8am for 10 hr legal break,puts you in the bunk till 6pm(or longer)I would stay in the bunk till 10pm

10 pm do a pretrip and start your 14 hr clock,this gives you 7+ hrs to go 300 miles,make your delivery at 5am,

Your legal and had time to take your break
If this cant or wont work for you,,,reschedule appt is your only other option

 

That wasn't the question....He's still out of his 70.

If the situation was as he stated in his question, He's SOL because any way you look at it he's gonna be late with the freight.

 

So what he is complaining about is that he cant move things around and "squeze" his electronic logbook to make his delivery time.

 

or tired as ## because i JUST got up after a full nights sleep and am now forced to try and sleep through the day to take advantage of the hours gained at midnight.
this was just an example scenario
point being, it is LEGAL to drive again at midnight, but it #### WELL does NOT make it safe for you to do so if you are usually a daytime driver. THAT is the gist of what i was trying to say

 

exactly. nothing but a paper log..... i will drive that day (out of hours or NOT) when i am fully awake and alert to where i need to be. make my delivery and then "rewrite history" to satisfy the silly 70 hour rule

 

This is why they are doing the E-logs now. Its much easier to pass an audit when everything actually matches...

 

and i am sure they will keep on thinking (if they really DO think) that they are making America's roads safer the truth is, fatigue is not and never will be a ' one size fits all' type of thing

 

There is no way that an Electronic onboard recorder knows when I or any other driver is tired or fatigued..(EXAMPLE) If I start my day at say 5:30am drive 11 hours with a 30 minute break in there some where, that has me shut down for the day at 5:00pm I can not go to bed at 5:00 pm no matter what! I call my twin four year old girls every night at there bed time that is 8:30pm.. regardless I can not go to bed at 5:00pm but maybe at 9:30 or 10:00pm I can so I sat for 5 hours then finally able to go to sleep by 10:00pm. My alarm goes off 3:00am after my mandatory 10 hour break.. The HOS rules made me stop at 5:00pm I could have easily driven untill 8:00pm.. but as I said the hos and the EOBR said i had to stop at 5:00pm and now I am Ok to drive tired at 3:00am because I am in compliance and my EOBR said I can.. This is CRAZY and should not be Mandated.. it should be voluntary if anything.. I have Twin four year old girls whom my wife and I adopted at birth and a 16 year old son I am all about Highway safety.. Truckers (MOST)are professionals.. The only one that knows when they are tired are them selves.. So I guess I would be labeled an outlaw because in reality I would drive untill 8:00pm and then sleep untill I was properly rested, not because the HOS and an EOBR said i was now (LEGAL) to drive.. I can give more scenarios of this at different time of day or because of weather conditions as well.. oh and I Haul Bees at times and Normally you unload bees in the cold or dark while they are dormant.. If i unload say a hundred Hives and run out of hours and have to go three miles up the road to unload a hundred more, and my EOBR says I cant untill I take a ten Hour break then I would be unloading bees in the daylight and heat there for potentially putting my life or others at risk.. But I am in compliance...

 

Why can any body just get in there car, mini van, suv etc with there whole family on board drive cross country non stop.. But a professional driver has to have an EOBR to make sure they are in compliance? I have been on the road all of my 37 years and have seen every scenario.. EOBRS are not the answer.. educating the public is!!

Leave the HOS as they are if any changes are made simply Eliminate the 14 hour rule. Give truckers the opportunity to stop and stop the clock as they need to..I must say that if everyone always followed the HOS and were always in compliance there would be tired truckers all over..The HOS Force drivers to stop when they are not even close to tired and if they have no common sence will force them to start up and drive when they are not rested!! (EXAMPLE) If I start my day at 5:30am Drive 7 hours stop for my PROPOSED 30 minute break, then finish out my last 4 hours I will be done for the day at 5:00pm! I can not go to bed at 5:00pm especially if I started my day at 5:30am.. So now I am done for the day at 5:00pm who knows where.. so now I sit here for hours and I can not go to sleep it is far to early.. I cal my Children and wife every night at 8:00pm but now by 10:00pm im tired enough to go to sleep.. at 3:00am my alarm goes off after my 10 hour break is complete.. Now if I have no common sence i will be driving tired! The HOS and My EOBR said I can now drive.. My COMMON SENCE Tells me to sleep a while longer.. The HOS and EOBR have done nothing for me...

Also I have ran out of hours 40 miles from home a couple of times due to weather conditions.(I live in Montana) Why in the world would any sane person shut down for 10 hours 40 miles from home? Would you?

I hear and read alot about enforcement, everytime I have ever been pulled in to a scale, or pulled over, and i have only been pulled over three times in my two million miles, and I have always had my log book checked.. What is rediculous is that i was actually ticketed in south dakota at a scale for not having signed my log page for the day.. Now i had just started the day at Sioux Falls just a few miles ago, my log was current and everything was as it was supposed to be. I just had not signed it yet. I should not have to sign it untill the end of my day when my log is then complete!

As for the Whole EOBR Issue, it and all of this other regulation Stuff is really causing my to lose sleep, Honestly. i Know the EOBR thing is not for safety as I said before A computer does not know when we are tired, Fatigued, or anything else. Any piece of electronics that is not directly hooked up to my body can not tell me this..

I know for a fact that if I or anyone else absolutly ran the way an EOBR says we should we will be driving Tired or Fatigued. I have ran with electronic logs and many times when The HOS or the e-log said i could legally drive I had only been able to sleep a few hours because I ran out of driving time to early in the day to sleep.. so when the HOS and the E-log said I could drive my common sence told me to sleep a while longer. I have twin four year old baby girls and I am also a professional i do not need an ELECTRONIC RECORDER telling me when to stop driving.. or to keep me in compliance, as I am also a grown man and have been on my own for many many years making responsible decisions! Does any body know the back ground checks required to adopt children? i do we adopted two! so i do not need an EOBR to keep track of me!! I would never put a life in jeopardy by driving tired, not mine or any one elses!