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Aside from wooden snow fences, why doesn’t WY build snow barriers right next to I-80?

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My opinion, winter roads were better before everyone started using liquid deicer. Now they slop that down and what would normally be a cold road that snow would blow over now has something on it that makes the snow stick. Used to have good, cold snowpack that you could run down at highway speed but now everyone thinks they need to see pavement and it ends up being a slick mess.

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Chicago likes to salt everything, the beezjus out of the tristate in a inch of snow.

Sun sets, it turns into a few inches of spikey ice. Tears into the tires and everything.

Maryland found popcorn mix. Presto monsoon rains no more hydroplaning at 70 or splashing at 45.

In a month the first popcorn pavements failed utterly. They had to take it to bare dirt and rebuild it all over again.

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From 2001 to 2015 I drove I-80 UT -WY - UT almost every night with double tanker. In early 2000 it was chain law in WY but drivers have thousand excuses why not to put chains. Delay was mostly to remove unchained stuck rigs from the road. Many car drivers were stranded in the middle of nowhere. Everyone calling 911 to get help immediately. In 2009 or 2010 WY DOT adopted new regulation to close road in bad weather. They explained it as a safety measure for motorists and chains destroy road pavement but idea to have toll road is behind. They push this toll idea for many ears but there is no alternative rout along I-80 to comply with federal requirements for toll. In 2008 or 2009 in Evanston POE girl from UW did poll between drivers about idea to load trucks on rail cars to cross WY. She was about two weeks every day.
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Another possibility is to have a couple checkpoints along I-80 to ensure all vehicles are carrying chains or winter tires. It is true that chains damage roads, but they also help in breaking ice and so snow plow trucks can more easily and quickly remove the ice or packed snow, making the roads safe again.

They don’t need to create a toll. They should just raise their IFTA tax. Theirs is below the average IFTA tax. It wouldn’t hurt much if they increased it by 10 cents.

Current WY IFTA tax
402 miles / 7 mpg = 57.4
57.4 X 0.24 IFTA = 13.78

Increased IFTA tax
57.4 X .35 IFTA = 20.09
$6.31 difference from current IFTA

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buddyd157 said: ↑

here it is, yes it was a deadly crash that made them take out the tolls...

Abolition of tolls[edit]
After a 1983 truck crash that killed seven people at the Stratford toll plaza, toll opponents pressured the State of Connecticut to remove tolls from the turnpike in 1985. Three years later, these same opponents successfully lobbied the Connecticut General Assembly to pass legislation abolishing tolls on all of Connecticut's highways (with the exception of two car ferries across the Connecticut River in Chester and Glastonbury). While the 1983 Stratford accident was cited as the main reason for abolishing tolls in Connecticut, the underlying reason was that federal legislation at that time forbade states with toll roads from using federal funds for road projects. Because the Mianus River Bridge was rebuilt with federal highway funds following its June 1983 collapse, Connecticut was required by Section 113(c) of the Federal Aid Highway Act of 1956 to remove tolls from the turnpike once its construction bonds were paid off.[15]

The debate over tolls on the Connecticut Turnpike did not end in 1988 with the abolition of tolls. Prior to their removal in 1985, the tolls generated over $65 million annually. Since their removal in the late 1980s, Connecticut lawmakers have continuously discussed reinstating tolls, but have balked at bringing tolls back out of concern of having to repay $2.6 billion in federal highway funds that Connecticut received for turnpike construction projects following the abolition of tolls.

During the economic recession of the early 1990s, legislators studied reinstating tolls on parts of the Connecticut Turnpike and portions of highways around Hartford to make up for budget deficits. Proposals for reinstating tolls were scrapped in lieu of implementing an income tax and increasing the state gasoline tax and sales tax, and imposing a new tax on corporate windfall profits.

Continuation of toll debate[edit]
With continual budget woes in Hartford, the idea of reinstating tolls resurfaced in January 2010. State Representative Tony Guerrera estimated a $5 toll at Connecticut's borders could generate $600 million in revenue. Governor Dannel P. Malloy expressed pessimism that toll revenue would be spent exclusively on infrastructure repairs, but a need to generate additional revenue, paired with decreases in traditional highway funding sources (such as federal aid and gas tax revenue) means the idea could receive serious consideration in the state legislature.[citation needed]

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I doubt the decision was from a single accident. More likely that was the final straw to push it through.

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It’s all going to be over with in 12 years. Why waste the money?

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PE_Trans said: ↑

Another possibility is to have a couple checkpoints along I-80 to ensure all vehicles are carrying chains or winter tires. It is true that chains damage roads, but they also help in breaking ice and so snow plow trucks can more easily and quickly remove the ice or packed snow, making the roads safe again.

They don’t need to create a toll. They should just raise their IFTA tax. Theirs is below the average IFTA tax. It wouldn’t hurt much if they increased it by 10 cents.

Current WY IFTA tax
402 miles / 7 mpg = 57.4
57.4 X 0.24 IFTA = 13.78

Increased IFTA tax
57.4 X .35 IFTA = 20.09
$6.31 difference from current IFTA
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Run those numbers for guys that don't pull a van/reefer. A 16 foot square crate in that wind and you are lucky to see 4 mpg.
I hate the gallon based taxes. They need to be mileage based.

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It’s all going to be over with in 12 years. Why waste the money?
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More like 18 months. Jersey just docked a sick cruise ship with thousands this morning. CDC met the ship dockside in real time. Likely quarantine all of them for two weeks. We are all to be dead in 18 months *Piff poff.. /slight satire..

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It’s all going to be over with in 12 years. Why waste the money?
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What's in 12 years?

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What's in 12 years?
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I keep hearing ultimate death of the earth and its inhabitants due to unlivable heat caused by the evil diesel engines. Lol!

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My opinion, winter roads were better before everyone started using liquid deicer. Now they slop that down and what would normally be a cold road that snow would blow over now has something on it that makes the snow stick. Used to have good, cold snowpack that you could run down at highway speed but now everyone thinks they need to see pavement and it ends up being a slick mess.
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I agree, sanded roads are the best roads to run on in the winter.

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