At what point do DOT Numbers, IFTA, and ELD's become required?

Discussion in 'Trucking Industry Regulations' started by JamesL73, Dec 4, 2018.

  1. JamesL73

    JamesL73 Bobtail Member

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    I am in West Texas, working for a new crane company as a crane operator. This company only has one crane and doesn't even have a haul truck yet, for the counterweights. We have been having to use Hotshots. My question is this...I have a new Ford F450 Super Duty and a 40K Gooseneck trailer. If I choose to do a personal favor for the company and haul the counterweights, approx 30K lbs, even though I am not for hire, nor being compensated for doing this, would I still fall under ELD, HOS, and IFTA regulations? Required to have DOT numbers on my personal vehicle and trailer? I know it is technically a commercial load due to the weight and I do have my CDL-A.
     
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  3. gokiddogo

    gokiddogo Road Train Member

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    You can haul a 30,000 pound counter weight on a hotshot :scratch:

    I would say yes you do need dot numbers, authority, insurance, all of it. The dot man would say you are indeed being paid to move it, since you are an employee of the crane company. It is also a business move. And why would you use your personal vehicle like that for little or no compensation?

    If you stay in Texas only you do not need ifta. You would need apportioned plates registered for total gross weight. And the dot loves to pick on hot shots because a lot of them don't know the regulations or are trying to do exactly what yours trying to do here. They get caught and told they need authority, out comes the ticket book and you might have to leave the load where it is. Probably depends on officer. I would bet my life if he let you go and caught you again the even bigger ticket book with 0 mercy comes out now and maybe even impound everything.

    Most times it's much easier to have a handful of trucks in your area and just pay them instead. There is a lot of paperwork for authority, and if you only use it now and then it wouldn't be worth it in my eyes.
     
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  4. Atlanta trucker

    Atlanta trucker Road Train Member

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    Just say no to the government
     
  5. ZVar

    ZVar Road Train Member

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    You would also need a Class A license, and you will need to follow HOS. I do not believe Texas requires an ELD, but even if so they will mirror federal rules I'm sure. I.e. you only need one if you paper log more than 8 days in 30.

    In a nutshell it's probably not worth it. Think of it this way, what happens if you are pulling the weights and you get rear ended? You very likely will be sued and unless all the paperwork is correct you will lose as you should never have been there in the first place.
     
  6. Eddiec

    Eddiec Road Train Member

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    I would choose not to do that "personal favor" for your employer. The risk vs. reward are too great.
     
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  7. Grumppy

    Grumppy Trucker Forum STAFF Staff Member

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    A couple of things here:
    1st, in your context, weight has nothing to do with whether or not you are required to comply with FMCSA rules.
    #1, you would be considered "for hire". That in itself would require you to be required to comply with FMCSA rules (in this scenario). Many things depend on what requires someone to comply. Yes, weight does figure in along the way, but..
    A) you are hauling a load for another person (for hire)
    B) you are being compensated (you wont convince me nor TXDOT officer that you aren't being compensated somewhere,somehow, someway).
    C) that truck's GVRW is 14,000. And you need a Class B licence under FMCSA. That's enough to put you in compliance.
    D) The trailer is 40,000. Now, GCVWR is 54,000. Now you will need a Class A licence.
    I cant say for sure about TX but in La,if you are only running in that one state, you wont need an IFTA or a USDOT #.

    My question... 40,000 lb hotshot trailer? Hummmm... well maybe so but thats like a 18 wheeler trailer. I am just asking.. are you sure its not 20,000lb trailer? I aint saying it aint 40,000, but I dont think I ever seen a trailer for a hotshot rated at 40,000. A gooseneck is going to be 20,000 in my experience but I aint seen it all, so I am just asking for clarity. Can you post the info for the trailer, maybe a website with specs? I'm just interested to know/learn what you have.
     
  8. x1Heavy

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    You do nothing as a personal favor.

    It's one thing to be on a 1000 acre farm and move something from here to there in the rain of all things.

    The moment your rig gets one wheel a inch or more onto a public roadway, yer it. I hope you got everything required of you.

    Personal favors are very stupid in this industry. Now... once in a while Dispatch might ask a little extra something but that is because they are willing to offer a present or three when the problem is solved with a tractor trailer already properly papered and stickered for battle on actual public highways and roads in our Country. To have that costs a certain amount of money.

    Personal favors is too much of a risk. You will rue the day you ever volunteered like that with a rig that has nothing and not lawful for public road on paper and stickers.
     
  9. Grumppy

    Grumppy Trucker Forum STAFF Staff Member

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    I tried to edit my above post to add this to D)
    but it said it was spam like & wouldnt post it... ???

    & you wont need an ELD, but you will have to run a paper log & you'll be under FMCSA rules otherwise for the most part.
     
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    x1Heavy Road Train Member

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    I ran into that as well. I think it has to do with repeating or markers of spam in grammer used. So what I do is make one or two sentences instead and break up the grammar to something basic.

    That usually works for me. But there are times (Rarely thankfully) that I have to wrestle with the website to try and get some good schooling on a topic at hand involved in the previous thread. But not too often.
     
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  11. Grumppy

    Grumppy Trucker Forum STAFF Staff Member

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    I had DOT in parentheses. I removed it & it posted... Oh well, its done so no harm.
     
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