Attention All Non-CPM Drivers

Discussion in 'Questions From New Drivers' started by madmoneymike5, Aug 8, 2011.

  1. madmoneymike5

    madmoneymike5 Medium Load Member

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    ...and everyone else, feel free to chime in. Just looking for all the ways we drivers get paid. Again, only concerned with the income side, not what your profit is after any costs. Just how the the money you get before costs is calculated...
     
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  3. American-Trucker

    American-Trucker Road Train Member

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    That's about it I believe you got cpm, salary, percentage.......only other way I can think of is by the load like container haulers, dump trailers, etc, or by weight like grain




    American Trucker
     
  4. BigJohn54

    BigJohn54 Gone, but NEVER forgotten

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    It seems you are going to be doing some comparing apples to oranges here.

    You, WitchingHour, Johnday and AT's dad are all getting paid to drive a truck that belongs to someone else.

    Ironpony is getting his revenue for operating his truck. Still you are only interested in his revenue, which still has to pay expenses before you can make an equal comparison.

    Since drivers wages and benefits make up roughly 20 - 30% of gross, comparing a contractor to a driver will give you 3 - 5 times more money than the driver gets. With an owner/operator whether a lease operator or a carrier (has their authority), you would have to look at operating expense before you could see what their paycheck is.

    Here is an example:
    Suppose a truck hauls a load that pays $1200 for 520 miles and you deadhead 80 miles to load it. You ran 600 miles for that load so it paid 2.00 CPM to the truck. It was $960 load revenue and $240 FSC. The shipper actually paid $1575 to move the load ($1333 shipping and $242 FSC). We will assume all actual miles to simplify our calculations although this will not be the case. We will also assume that the broker or the company that a truck is leased to take the same amount from what the shipper pays.

    Now the company driver paid 0.36 CPM will be paid a gross of $216 (600 * .36).

    The driver working for 20% of all revenue will be paid a gross of $240 (1200 * .20). This driver pays 7.65% ($18.36) more for Social Security/Medicare because the employer does not pay a share.

    Now the lease operator will get $1200 (1333 * .72 = 960 and 242 * .99 = 240 and 960 + 240 = 1200) since he gets 72% of the gross revenue and 99% of FSC. Now he has Fuel at 32%, Maintenance/Repairs/Tires at 7%, Miscellaneous at 1%, Truck/Trailer Payment at 10%, Insurance/License/Permits/Fuel Tax at 5% and Return on Investment at 4%. Take the $1200 less the $708 in expenses and you will have a gross of $492. This owner pays the additional 7.65 % Social Security/Medicare and is in a higher income tax bracket too so he pays more income tax.

    I might add that when I operate my own truck, I would pay myself about $288 wages and benefits on the above load and the rest would go into the business account. That amount would cover health insurance and workmen's comp. The excess would be potential profit once a substantial reserve was built up for unexpected costs. It could then be used for expansion or to reward the owner.
     
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  5. fortycalglock

    fortycalglock Road Train Member

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    As far as company drivers go, when running percentage, they don't get any of the fuel surcharge, as they shouldn't. Linehaul+ accessorials. So if a load payed 2000 total, and that was split up at 1600 lh, 300 fuel, 100 extra stop and your percentage was 28%, you would get paid 1700x.28=$476.
     
  6. GasHauler

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    I was a company driver and got paid by the hour. My pay started once I went through the gate until I left. Any hours over 10 were time and a half,plus any hours over 40 hours was time and a half. We would only drive a total of 200 miles a day but we would have 6 unloading stops and 6 loading. That's the goal of a local driver to be home every night weekends off and gross $1650 a week.
     
  7. madmoneymike5

    madmoneymike5 Medium Load Member

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    BigJohn, thank you for a very informative post. However, I am not actually comparing anything. I'm not comparing the different type of pay methods to each other. Instead, I just want the information on how they work individually. I'm not trying to answer the question, "Should I switch to a different type of pay system so I can get more money?"

    I think a bit of background on the cause for my questions is appropriate here. I'm simply building a type of spreadsheet. i would like to make sure that the spreadsheet asks the right questions of the driver to calculate their gross income on a load-by-load basis for the type of pay system they are on. A CPM driver needs to enter his empty milage CPM, his loaded mileage CPM, whether he is on a sliding pay scale based on milage, how many miles, etc. But a percentage based driver has completely different questions to answer in order for the spreadsheet to accurately calculate what the load pays (again, gross pay before any and all deductions or costs).

    The objective of the spreadsheet isn't to calculate the driver's profit, bottom-line, etc. (Not yet, but maybe later I'll incorporate OOIDA's owner-operator spreadsheet.) Just to analyze each load against all others the driver has delivered. Well, it does more than that but as far as this topic goes, that's all that is relevant.

    So, in summary of all the types of pay, does anyone have a pay system that doesn't fit into the following equations?

    CPM: Total Pay = (Empty Miles x Empty CPM) + (Loaded Miles x Loaded CPM) + (Sum of Special Pay such as HazMat, Short Mileage, Extra Stops, etc)

    Flat Rate: Self-explanatory, but: Total Pay = Agreed/Accepted price for the load, regardless of mileage

    Percentage: Total Pay = Amount paid by shipper * Percentage paid to driver

    Salary: Total Hours Worked x Hourly Wage + (Overtime)
     
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  8. Pmracing

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    Company.
    Paid per miles, deadhead or loaded.
    Small additional amounts for load swaps, hazmat loads, detention hourly for everything over 3 hours.
    If the company truck breaks, I get breakdown pay. If there are no loads I get detention pay. But if I get a load on friday and it is only 8 hours to delivery, and the appt is not til monday... all I get are the miles.

    Mikeeee
     
  9. madmoneymike5

    madmoneymike5 Medium Load Member

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    Sounds like my company, except I get detention after 2 hours.

    Thanks for the info, Mikeeee.
     
  10. BigJohn54

    BigJohn54 Gone, but NEVER forgotten

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    I hate to complicate things but some companies pay percentage on net not gross. In these cases, you would have to subtract expenses from gross before applying the percentage.

    I did a breakdown that compared CPM, gross % and net % in this thread in post 8:

    http://www.thetruckersreport.com/tr...r-operator/151655-subcontracting-drivers.html

    It also covers another pay method used by many expediters. They pay a bigger percentage and the driver pays fuel from his money.
     
  11. madmoneymike5

    madmoneymike5 Medium Load Member

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    BigJohn,

    I am trying to cover the majority of long-haul OTR drivers, with a few features to potentially allow for local or other driver types, but my main audience is intended to be company-drivers. My knowledge of the industry and my programming skills aren't strong enough to cover every scenario. This started out as a personal project, but after showing it to a few drivers, I have seen some potential in expanding it. I intend to provide a robust set of options suitable for the majority and others will have to make do or find something that better suits their purpose.

    In the case of percentage on net and not gross, the driver will have to
    calculate the neccessary value to use with the application.
     
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