Back Logging your Book

Just because someone shows you how to break the law doesn't mean you have to do it. I would suggest you log legally, you are ultimately responsible for what you put in your log book, no one else is.

Don't know that I would quit my job over the discussion unless it was "do it this way or you not going to get any loads", know what I mean?

I say let your conscious be your guide and CYOA first, no company out there that I know of is going to come to your rescue if you get into trouble while logging illegally.

 

I always check my logging speed at each change of duty. Bottom line is your the one responsible for the logs, no one else. Usually companies like that have a bad safety stat rating. Have you checked their score??????

 

I run my logs as real time and put down the miles i run that day you are responsable if something happens so i would log legal and dot can check if you have ezpass or if they check your fuel reciepts to see where you bin and what time one of my o/o got caught from his ezpass it didnt match his logs some might say they cant but yes they can and will.

 

OMG that log auditor is so wrong on so many levels!

#1 you should not have changed your log to make it false, what that person made you do was VERY wrong!

Clarify here: If you are in an accident they don't go back a week, they go back 30 days in detail (meaning they draw out 30 days worth of proof on time stamped documentation to prove what you REALLY, like you did have on your log) and up to 6 months, fatality usually 6 months.

I wouldn't look for another job, however I would talk with the Safety Manager regarding this and if he agrees with the log auditor I will let the drivers say what to do! You have submitted false logs, but hopefully you have both copies of the logs and I would make sure you look at the one's that you originally filled out.

http://www.fmcsa.dot.gov/rules-regu.../fmcsrruletext.aspx?chunkkey=09016334800232af

NOTICE IN THE below it says "CORRECTED" meaning it's true and accurate, this you will do when you accidentally draw your line on driving when you was really sleeping or you turned in a false log and you log it like you really did it. You forgot to put the miles,sign it, etc.


Question 8: May a motor carrier return a driver’s completed record of duty status to the driver for correction of inaccurate or incomplete entries?

Guidance: Yes, although the regulations do not require a driver to submit “corrected” records of duty status. A driver may submit corrected records of duty status to the motor carrier at any time. It is suggested the carrier mark the second submission “COR RECTED COPY” and staple it to the original submission for the required retention period.

 

Would love to hear what his response was...

 

Alot depends on your view on life,living in fear of the "what-if"
or taking one breath at a time.

I never drew a "what-if" check

Loose leaf (learn it/live it)

 

Especially since you have many, or even several, time check points. It wouldn't even take some sort of tragedy, just some DOT log examination, at any scale house, or roadside inspection. Keep in mind that this does not have to be "caught" within the 8 days of your recap, when the DOT does an audit at your employers office, your employer will get clobbered through fines and possible loss of authority, but it can come back and get you a fine and with the new CSA 2010 rules, if it is severe enough, you could lose your driving privilege.

CYA, not just your current log, but your future is what you are dealing with. Don't let anyone tell you that breaking, or even bending, the law, or rules in this case, is just fine and dandy. Just like the receiver that tells you; "the other driver did it just fine...don't worry, you can get in that dock!" If you think it's wrong, then it probably is!

Stay safe...and legal!

 

When you started driving, sure, it was what we did to get the extra mile...but now, with all the ways to back track the drivers location, it doesn't make any sense to not pay attention to "what if"...the DOT didn't do nearly as many audits 30 years ago as they do today, and yes you can write your own ticket and fine by not doing it the legal way.

 

THats what they make loose leaf logs for...

But really, with all the wiz bang GPS, heck can even go as far as checking cell phone records and such. It hardly pays to try to do much more than maybe help clean up a few minutes here and there. If something happens and somebody wants to go back they sure can if your stuff isn't uptight.
THere used to be a day that was the way to do it, run the load, rip a few pages out, start over, run 2 or 3 logs, etc.
But with all the new and upcoming rules, that is just going to cease. Remember when it comes right down to it, no company is going to stand beside you and say yeah we told him to do it, we will take the heat. It is your license which in turn is your lively hood, that makes it your call.