Backing up a fuel truck, with a trailer attached need help

It’s called a truck and trailer. Turn the wheel to the right, back of trailer will go to the right. Pay attention to your dolly axles. When they start turning, turn back the other direction to keep things under control. Once you get too out of sorts, just pull forward to straighten out a bit. Don’t try to chase it once things start going opposite directions.

 

.... what they said , also if in doubt about if you can get in and out , either walk it first or satellite it on google maps. ( where to come in at so drops are on the correct side )

 

To me the solution would be a couple of pieces of steel tubing that could attach to the truck rear bumper and the dolly draw bar to hold it straight in line with the truck. When its time to back, put those pieces on, insert pins and back as usual. Heck, I think you could leave them on full time (would be like rigid safety chains), and only need to remove them if you're going to hook the dolly to another truck. I think the whole situation is because of intellectual laziness, and just throwing crap on the backs of drivers, there is no reason to engineer the rig with 2 pivot points and those pivot points are in the same section, leading to the "trying to push a chain" effect. Imagine if your 5th wheel assembly was free to spin around 60 degrees in each direction, that's essentially what they are giving you here.. The industry can't be bothered to lift a finger to help drivers, not in reality. You could drill 2 legal holes in bumper and fix this problem in under a day, I guarantee they have been doing things this way at that fuel company for years and don't give a #### about the burden it puts on drivers yet they will ##### like you murdered their mother if the equipment they have given you to do the job leads to a screwup. They would look at you like you're crazy if you suggested fixing things so there is only one (1) articulation point.

 

The "####'s" are automatic ? That's cool, the words were pretty mild (primetime acceptable), but still that's cool.

 

Truck & Trailer have definite advantages over a long bore tanker.
Technically, what is pictured is a ‘wagon’.
If you have a trailer setup like what we see pulled behind dump trucks, that is with a ‘fixed’ tongue, that is technically a ‘cart’.

 

What are you talking about? You’ve obviously never driven a truck and trailer setup. Quit rambling on about things you’re afraid of, or don’t know how to do.

 

Guys have been backing them up since the 40’s or 50’s but now’s the time for a solution. Lol.

But to simplify his drawn out “solution”, if the tongues weren’t so long they could just pin the turntable like the do on 40/20 A trains. Except that only works with a short tongue because of leverage and all.

I’ve been to a couple stations already where a truck/trailer would’ve been way easier and I’ve only been on my own a couple weeks now.

 

That Swedish video is backing up a 15m (~48') trailer, on a hook.
Yes, backing up in a dolly is an entirely different thing; you need to chase the dolly. To near-side back, you first have to turn your wheel to the right, then chase the tongue, changing part-way through to turning left. Literally THOUSANDS of truck drivers in Europe and Japan back these things into docks every day...

 

OP...When you're learning to back a T and T make sure not to jackknife it to the point where the trailer tongue goes under the trailer.
Small corrections when things start getting out of line work pretty well. Otherwise, pull up, straighten out, and try again.
In the meantime listen to @Diesel Dave and @Rugerfan . Rugerfan has driven quite a bit of tanker T and T and he knows what he's talking about. Diesel Dan's advice is always level headed and usually accurate.
I've seen grown men practically reduced to tears of frustration while learning to back T and T. They eventually got it...and you will too.
Once you get the hang of it you'll find you can back a T and T places where you'd never get a semi.
And yes, tanker drivers back. Some times they back quite a bit.