Bad situation with Co-Driver

Discussion in 'Questions From New Drivers' started by Crazyeyes, Aug 30, 2009.

  1. TripleSix

    TripleSix God of Roads

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    Knew it. Red flag time. Somethings not being told in your story. Your first post, you sound like a snivelling worm. Now you are sounding conniving and malicious.

    I really would like to hear your co-driver's side of the story now.
     
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  3. Crazyeyes

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    There's always 2 sides to every story. Im glad you gave your honest opinion though. If you think I am coming across this way, then I imagine the company feels perhaps similar when I tell them I want out of the truck.


    Conniving and malicious?..... Im just looking for ways out of the situation without confrontation with him and without having to forfeit the job.

    I really shouldn't have to endure a complete ignorant racist who is having a wonderful time bullying me around, for any reason period. This company is full of many other NOT SO great things that I am willing to put up with in order to get some experience under my belt, this is not one of them. Obviously Im still here gutting it out looking for advice.

    My co-driver's side of the story will sound something like this:

    "Ive got 6 years in this industry, I know the ropes, Im a supertrucker, even though 5 of my years of experience cant be verified through DAC and I quit US Express before I ever took a load, then TMC fired me after 7 months , thats how my 6 years landed me at good ole CRST! So now then, I choose to give this newbie a hard time and Im freaking enjoying it,"

    "P.S. he drank beer while the truck was being worked on for 6 days... and thats against company policy, so I can blackmail this newbie by threatening to tell on him, Thanks for your time,"


    He has been with the company less time than I have at this point
     
  4. JahB

    JahB Road Train Member

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    You're "coded" for a terminal. Stay on the truck, don't leave him anywhere. Keep your fists and your thoughts to yourself. Do your job, don't talk about anything except the job, and then only when necessary. Stay quiet, don't respond to his BS. Keep your stuff consolidated in one place, or in as few as possible. Don't make it easy for him to screw around with it. At most, let him know, calmly, that he's not welcome to use things without your permission. Leave it at that.

    Get to a terminal before your home time, you do not want to deal with the prospect of him staying at your house. When you get to the terminal, go inside and get him off your truck. Talk to the terminal manager alone, out of earshot. He'll get his opportunity. When they ask what the problem is, stay cool about it. Don't go whining about it, or telling them all the rotten things you know about him.

    Come up with a simple statement like "He doesn't respect my property, he's obnoxious and argumentative. I have no reason or desire to get into the details, doesn't matter, he can't be on my truck. I've tried, and there is no way it will work out. I want to get back on the road with a new co-driver as soon as possible, and concentrate on my job, not conflict."

    Stop there. Don't get into a pissing match. Don't get into a conversation with him AND the terminal manager or whoever, just you and the management. Let them handle his ###. He will say whatever BS he comes up with, but after your calm report and request, once they hear him out, they will have a clear picture of the situation.

    After that, you talk to them about when you can get the truck back on the road with a new co-driver, and you probably want to at least talk to the other one for a while before you roll.

    Good luck, be calm, don't do something stupid....like getting off the truck.

    PS: he has no proof of anything about your beer lapse, I'm guessing. Deny it with something like, "Didn't happen." and a slight roll of your eyes. IF it even goes that far. Leave it at that, not another word.
    I dumped my first trainer after 2 weeks, and had a new one in two days. The dude never trained again, and I didn't have to say much about it at the time.
     
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  5. Crazyeyes

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    great post, this basically how I am trying to handle things. Its just awfully hard to get through, especially since we aren't getting miles anyways. We take one load approx. 1000 miles.. then sit for 3-4 days.. then another load for 915 miles, then sit..., etc. Since my phone is broken, I am currently writing dispatch via QC and he is driving, but he hears QC go off and he is tring to intercept my messages.... And basically telling them Dispatcher that WE ARE BOTH HAPPY HERE.. LOL... Im doing my best to repeatedly put it through that I want off the truck, poor dispatcher Lisa is being screwed with here pretty good... What an idiot.
     
  6. TripleSix

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    I know only what you've told me. In your first post, you say things like your life is in danger, you feel as tho this guy has kidnapped you, you are in peril, "help! I am at the mercy of a racist psychopath!"

    Then you say that you are not afraid of this guy and that you could whip him and whatnot and you are steering the conversation to ditching this guy on the side of the road and your primary concern is the fallout for doing such.

    Thats 2 different versions of a story from the same person. It doesnt add up. Now you mention something about breaking your company's alcohol policy. Is this why you ignore the advice to go straight to the nearest terminal and gravitate towards the "ditch him on the side of the road" talk?


    One more thing: You called him a racist in your original post, yet you never give any examples. This sounds more like slander than anything else. If the guy was racist, that would be your main beef. But its not.

    The conclusion

    You two just dont like each other. Welcome to the world of team driving. You literally want to kill each other and neither of you are holding back. The easiest and best thing is to quit CRST and find a job as a solo driver.
     
  7. Crazyeyes

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    Example: A black man doesn't use his turn signal so the co driver says "nice turn signal ni****," There is literally way too many examples to list. On one of our first days together, he ran down a list of every one line Black joke that I had heard when I was about 6 years old and he laughed at them like I did when I was 6 years old. It made me uncomfortable, I really dont know how to react to that stuff now a days. To each their own honestly, Im not about telling the company about that stuff, that makes me sound sniveling. At this point he knows I dont approve of that behavior, but he still does it.. not because he is merely a racist, but because he knows how uncomfortable it makes me. Thats abusive.

    Thats all it is about at the moment, with every way he behaves, he is only doing it to get under my skin all while believing the only thing I can do is quit oe he will threaten to get me fired.
    It sounds great that I am not physically afraid of him, but that doesnt mean that he isnt making my life a living hell. Yea, exactly, I could physically stop his abusive nature by inserting my foot directly up his arse and before I pulled it out he would be crying to dispatch or calling the police. we've been there already several times. Just because Im capable of knocking him out, that doesnt mean its the correct thing to do if I want to keep my job and at this point in my life.. I HAVE to KEEP this JOB and turn this into an actual CAREER. So I came here, asking for advice to rid myself of him properly.

    The situation isnt getting any better either, he believes we are staying together, but Ive let dispatch know repeatedly I want off the truck and our next load is to PA terminal. He still doesnt realize why thats where we are headed, however, dispatch is basically telling him to find a new co-driver through QC and its just a back and forth nightmare.

    I tell them I want off(then delete), they respond, he sees their response, and tells them WTF? we are staying together..... back and forth for a bit, until dispatch finally gets it and sends a message telling us to start looking for new co drivers. So we are just entering GA heading for evansville, ind, then from evansville to PA by Wednesday. Thats 2 more days, I would just like to get there and get my #### and get off the truck and then deal with the problem, but now instead, We are going to heap more issues upon ourselves right in the middle of the runs....

    And on top of it, I still feel like Im going to be the one out of a job here shortly
     
  8. Scuby

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    Well one of you still needs to get off the truck. Your co-driver has no business going to your house unless YOU INVITE him. If he's is acted that way at other companies no wonder he no longer employed there.
     
  9. JahB

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    You want to be the one with the truck looking for a new co-driver. You've got "seniority".
    Stop talking to people on the QC. You're already coming off as a whiner. The end is in sight, relax.
    He needs to find someone who "thinks" like he does.
     
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  10. crabby125s girl

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    I just read this whole thread.
    My bf is having trouble with his trainer as well and calls me every night about the... disagreements they are having. My bf is double the size of his trainer in everyway yet the trainer calls him 'boy' and berates him in every bad situation.
    My bf is at the end of his rope gritting his teeth and will be asking for a new trainer soon. If fact the two of them agree splitting up is best.
    To think now back to all the time the trainer smiled in my face but behind closed door is giving my bf living hell. It makes my blood boil. I would never let that guy in our home, especially with a child knowing how volitile the situation is between the trainer and my bf.
    It's not your prob your trainer is homeless, I have no idea how he would even expect to be invited into your home. He's just walking all over you and I say you put your foot down, right at your front door, and not welcome him into your home.
     
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  11. Crazyeyes

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    i wont know exactly what will happen until we get to the terminal and I guess Ill update you then. I feel like dispatch and the Co-Driver are both pushing me out, granted they arent in cahoots. But the best response I get from dispatch is basically, keep notifying us if things "get" worse in the truck. But if you get off the truck, then we have bigger issues. Im taking that to mean basically, go ahead get out now so we can slam an abandonment on your record and you can find your own way home....


    Now this guy has no real clue that once we get to the terminal (praying that we make it) Im getting off the truck. He is under the impression that his threats have worked and I intend to stick with him and Im doing my best to keep it that way, regardless of dispatch's QC messages about both of us being available as co-drivers. I don't want confrontation out here, and I really kind of dred the confrontation once he gets the picture as well when we do arrive at the terminal.
     
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