Bad training, bad CSA score, Help?

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  1. weatherhat

    weatherhat Bobtail Member

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    I got hired by my company in August. I went through two whole months of training with two different trainers. The first trainer I had talked on his phone CONSTANTLY, not only while he was supposed to be observing me, but also while he was driving. He also never let me drive at night time and I was barely ever allowed to back the truck up. Meanwhile he wanted to stop everywhere... I swear this guy had a booty call in almost every state. One time, he kicked me out of the truck for over two hours so that he could have a "guest" in the truck. Once I came back, he had already left and didn't come back until 11:00 the next day. Another time, he dropped the trailer we were hauling at a walmart parking lot so that he could take a shower at his girlfriends house. I feel like an idiot for putting up with all of it and not reporting him... Finally he ended up kicking me off the truck when I refused to keep the air conditioning on because I was shivering. He said it was "his truck, his rules." He dropped me off at a truck stop in the middle of Tennessee and I waited over 8 hours for a cab, then had to take another bus to meet my second trainer. He was a lot nicer and everything, but it wasn't too long before he started getting a little too friendly. He sent me creepy text messages in the middle of the night with little kissy faces... and said some *ahem* inappropriate things... again, barely ever allowed to back and never allowed to drive at night. I will say he was very thorough with making sure my logs were filled out correctly?
    My training experience with USXpress was MISERABLE and incredibly uncomfortable. I just wanted it to be over! I'd had it with the creepy dudes, so when it came time for team driving I requested to be teamed up with another lady.
    Upon upgrading to team status I passed all of the tests, 45 degree backing, straight backing, 90 degree backing, and blind side backing, which my trainer showed me how to do for THE FIRST TIME, IMMEDIATELY BEFORE THE TEST. The thing is, they passed EVERYONE that took the test that day, even the guy that took over ten minutes to do a 45 degree back even when the testing guy was telling him which way to turn the wheel the ENTIRE time.
    While I was teaming, I ended up getting into two backing accidents, both at night time. The first accident took place at a shipping location, where I drove into the wrong parking lot (the gps led me there, dispatch gave me no directions and didnt even tell me that it was a drop and hook, in fact, they said I had a live load appt) Someone who worked there came along and helped me back out, because there wasn't enough room to turn around and the road behind us was pretty busy. I got out to look several times and had him help spot me, but it was really dark and the parking lot was poorly lit, so I ended up rolling over a rock and it damaged the oil pan. The rock was not damaged.
    The second accident I was in, I was tired from driving all day and stopped at a TA and ended up backing into another truck's headlight while trying to get into a space.
    I told safety department that I wasn't comfortable with the amount of training I received, and all they did was have me watch a video.
    Just recently I was involved in another backing accident and now USXpress has placed me on suspension and I'm likely to get fired next week after the CSA meeting.

    I really want to succeed in this industry and I feel that I was kind of screwed out of getting the tools and training in order to even have a fighting chance in the trucking world.

    Does anyone have any advice for me? Is there any way I can improve my safety score? Do I have any chance of getting another job? Is there anything I can do to keep my job? HELP!?!?
     
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  3. windsmith

    windsmith Road Train Member

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    Not sure what to tell you.

    Your only option now is probably a small outfit - one guy that owns 2-5 trucks. You really need to figure out why you keep hitting things and fix that problem. The trainer can help you learn how to get the truck down the road, but the trainer can't teach you how to be aware of where your truck is in relation to what's around it. If at any point you don't know for sure what's around your truck, get out and look before you move it another millimeter.
     
  4. dschmidt201

    dschmidt201 Light Load Member

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    First never trust a gps second your teaming your teammate should be getting out and spotting you every time you back out regardless if he's sleeping or not it's a team op just like you should do for him. 2 months of traing is plenty of time to be trained I was only with a trainer for a week. After saying all this and I know you might be mad about me telling you the truth and bashing you sadly us xpress will probly be letting you go if they don't you better make sure you beg for retraining and a lot of companies will not be hiring you since you now have 3 accidents if I read correctly good luck to you though.
     
  5. Dinomite

    Dinomite Road Train Member

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    Sorry, but most companies even the bad ones. Don't want to deal with anybody who has had 3 accidents in 3 years. Let alone 3 accidents in a few months. You might want to start looking for a gig outside of trucking. To be honest with you. Bad training or not. You are responsible for your actions, and sadly most rookies end up just like you. Out of the industry in just a few months because of accidents and bad trainers.
     
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  6. pattyj

    pattyj Road Train Member

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    As you know you was wrong for not reporting your trainers.You not backing with both trainers sounds like that was the problem.I wish I had an answer that you wanna read but unfortunately I don'tThose accidents could hurt you sorry to say.
     
  7. critters

    critters <b>Late For Dinner</b>

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    you will only get CSA points if the police got involved,companies can have their own safety point system but can not give you CSA points.i would talk to them about your trainers,try to make them a deal,like more training and maybe an extended probation period,can't hurt to ask Good Luck.
     
  8. windsmith

    windsmith Road Train Member

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    CSA points are only assessed if there was an inspection report.

    CSA points are generally considered only by the 'mega' carriers. Smaller companies usually don't concern themselves with such things.
     
  9. critters

    critters <b>Late For Dinner</b>

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    wow do you have alot to learn,you get a ticket for speeding in your big truck you get CSA points,any tickets issued in that big truck carries CSA points.it is a concern for all companies.
     
  10. CondoCruiser

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    I'll try to break it down.



    I would of had a talk with the safety department. Not only is their character less than professional they have no business training. Turning your head just allows them to do the same things to the next students. The trainer being in the passenger seat is still on duty and responsible for observing you and training. That can hardly be done while yapping on the phone. The other guy I would of filed a sexual harassment complaint. If nothing else it would of protected your employment. It's kind of late now. Part of today's problems in trucking are these big companies are allowing any yahoo to train even though they are not qualified.


    You don't rely on GPS's for directions unless you have verified they are correct before you start driving. Trip planning consists of two parts... the interstate and state highways between point A and point B....the critical part of trip planning where most mess up is the local driving from leaving the shipper to the interstate and arriving at the town of the receiver. You have to find out the truck routes in and out, restricted routes, low clearances and other obstacles.
    How is this done? By using every tool available to you. Not this one or this one but ALL of them. Listed in order of importance...

    Rand McNally Truckers Atlas
    : Excellent tool with highlighted truck routes, low clearances and restricted routes listed.

    The Phone:
    Call the customer is an important step. Many today have canned voicemail directions. Customers get in trouble by local law if trucks are repeatedly coming in wrong. Hence they know the truck route in and pass it on anyway they can. The only time I question customer directions is when you get some receptionist live on the phone that couldn't describe how she gets to work. Try to talk with shipping and receiving for live directions if voicemail isn't available.

    Qualcomm or PeopleNet
    canned directions: These are usually reliable but can be a pain to decipher. If you have a fuel manager they have the ability to edit fuel routing and I have seen some terrible things. Like a GPS I only use them as a tool. Some company dispatchers will manually enter directions by previous driver reports. I have seen these wrong before where one driver made it in the wrong way. Though mostly helpful you have to be careful.

    GPS
    A very handy tool if you know how to use it correctly. Punch in the address and go? Definitely not. GPS's were first designed for cars that can go anywhere. Now they have trucker GPS's but even them are not 100% yet. GPS also rely on the 911 address systems. Street numbers can be off some there. When a company has three parking lots it doesn't tell you which one to turn into. That's one step you messed up, local directions. You always use your GPS after you found out the known route with your map and phone. Then you compare the GPS directions and correct it by way points if necessary. When you are 100% sure it's correct then you can enjoy it's advanced directions and other features.

    Google Earth A handy tool for seeing the customers buildings, guard shacks and parking lots

    CB Though highly depended on years ago and not so much today, asking another experienced driver can lead to valuable information.

    Do your homework. It makes your driving life so much easier. It keeps you from getting lost and being late! If you drive long enough you'll know the interstate system and many routes by memory. It's them local directions you have to be careful. Not just the routing you need to watch the weather and know what you are dealing with.

    You got yourself in a pickle. You can't hurt anything unless you are moving. Never second guess yourself. If you are not sure get out and get out again even if you have to get out of the truck 20 times and look. Be leary of anyone helping you. I've seen bad things happen even with someone waving at you. Guess who gets in trouble? When you are in the drivers seat you are 100% responsible for your actions.

    Most backing accidents happen when a driver is tired. If you are that tired then you go find somewhere easy to park. You second guessed yourself and didn't do anything about it. Save the tight backing until you get some experience. If nothing else get on the CB and ask for help. There are good drivers out there.

    You were kind of dealt a bad hand. But desperate companies like USXpress will push drivers along just to fill seats. You really need to go back out with a good trainer to finish you correctly. It doesn't look good where you are at.

    If you get terminated get a copy of your DAC and dispute it if necessary. You can do that here.
    http://www.hireright.com/Consumers-Applicants.aspx

    From here on participate in the forums to find a better company. If someone hears your story I'm sure you could be given a second chance. Make sure your side of the story gets told at the meeting. You really need to learn how to prevent these accidents. Even if one is a terrible backer they can get the job done without hitting things. Never say "I think I can" while backing, GOAL.

    Good luck!
     
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  11. weatherhat

    weatherhat Bobtail Member

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    Very informative, thanks! I wish I could go back and start over.
     
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