Bull....
A logbook is a legally binding document admissible in court as it stands.
There is more to her story line than she cares to share.
Being a 'personal O/O without incorporating first can cost you time and money later?
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From the way things have been explained to me so far, I don't understand why you would need 'authority,' or how it would benefit you to be registered that way with DOT, if you are going to drive under another company's authority. The way I understand now, you can't even do that. I may be wrong, but here's what I've gathered SO FAR....
Every rig on the road has to be registered, licensed, whatever, with the government, i.e. DOT and/or state, their grandma, whoever. Once that happens, numbers get placed on the vehicle for all the world to see.
Whatever business or individual operating their own business who does that, has been granted 'authority' by the government to even be on the road. Hence the word, 'authority.'
An O/O can just be someone who bought a truck, then entered into an agreement to partner up with another company who has the authority to contract with another truck owner and have that person operate under their authority instead of the truck owner's authority. The law allows them to do that.
It's impossible for a truck owner to point to their truck and accurately say, "I'm operating on the road today under both the authority of myself and XYZ Trucking Company." They have to pick one or the other. If they pick themselves by gaining authority with the government, they aren't even partnering with XYZ. They don't need to.
But if they've HAD authority in the past and choose to give it up, or set it aside somehow for now, they can still contract with XYZ, operating under XYZ's authority.
Which leads me back to my point....why on earth would she benefit by having Werner recognizing her as a driver with authority, or having had it in the past? Do they somehow pay better when they're contracting with a driver who has had authority sometime in the past and that can properly document that experience, even though that current or previous status has NOTHING to do with how she's going to operate while she drives under contract with Werner? She's operating under THEIR authority, not her own. Why does it matter if Werner recognizes her authority, or says 'drive for us for X months and we'll recognize it.' To pay her more then? The whole thing seems ridiculously complicated. I expect the government or the insurance companies or both have something to do with it. The politicians, insurance companies, and banks all share the same bed. They run the world and never lose. Can you say 'bailout?'Last edited: Aug 6, 2013
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You all are trying to read too much into it. Step away from the keyboard or I'll have to shoot.
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Reading too much into it? Show me a contract between a major trucking company and an O/O and tell me I'm putting too much into it. How many pages is it? Fine print? Single spaced? Have you ever signed one? Have you ever seen one? Did you read it? How much law on the books, at every level of government, factors into what's going on? I don't even have to ask to know the answer. A MEGATON. I know how the FAA regulates pilots, certification, ratings, endorsements, airplanes, maintenance, inspections, airlines, air traffic control, fares, everything you can imagine and more. Trucking may not be as in depth as aviation, but if if involves transportation and the government, it has to be thick.
And you can bet good money that once I understand it, I'll be able to explain it to anyone, in a way that they'll understand too. If this discussion board paid for answering questions, and I knew what I was talking about, I'd be the number one go to source for answers.
Again, why on earth would she benefit by having Werner recognizing her as a driver with authority, or for having had it in the past?
We'll see if someone tries to answer it. I suspect the people who can answer it are busy making money.Last edited: Aug 6, 2013
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Since you put it that way, here you go.
I really don't care why the film star had problems justifying her driving background as a carrier with authority. I hate to admit it, but I'd lean toward what MN said. She's either an idiot or there's more to the story. At the end of the day it's trivia. Doesn't matter. That's what I'm trying to tell you.
What you're not getting is that there are some things to worry about and some not so much. If you stress out trying to get it all figured out before you start, you'll never achieve a start.
I could also care less about a lease agreement. No I have never seen one. Maybe some day. Just not in the cards at the moment. I'm into my third year operating two trucks with authority. Relatively new. So I have reviewed and signed around a hundred carrier agreements. Not sure if that counts or not. Don't really care if you think that has merit or not. Frankly, if at some point I fail at this, I won't be the guy that starts shopping his services to other carriers. I have other, better options that may or may not be trucking. At the moment and for some sick reason, I enjoy what I'm doing right now. Since it is showing positive trends I'm hanging with it. On the other hand, I've sacrificed quite a lot over the past two plus years. That said, I have no regrets.
Seriously, any contract is just an outline of who does what and is responsible for each element of the business relationship. What does that have to do with the film star and her struggles? Probably just one of the hundreds of red warning flags she ignored, in my opinion.
Don't get me wrong. I like a contract. However, when they get too long I like to be sitting down if you know what I mean. The carrier agreement I have with my best customers is at most 3-4 pages. The best ones are one page.
PS: The FAA is the FMCSA's weak sister. The green truck book is the same thickness as the airplane book. The difference is that the cost of entry for an air carrier is so substantial that the entrants are much more difficult to push around than the other case, a guy with a truck.Lilbit Thanks this. -
I thought she said that she had bought a new truck and I took it as she was trying to lease in on with them to team with her friend and they did not accept her proof of experience. You may very well be right, there could be more too it.
A count may treat a logbook as a legally binding document but that would not stop someone from faking one for a company application so a company not accepting one as proof of experience would not surprise me. -
This syndrome is most likely caused from talking to a bird brained dispatcher that has never been in a truck and doesn't get the HOS or how being out of time on their logs works.RedForeman and Lilbit Thank this. -
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As far as a truck owner getting their own authority, it's about control . . . the truck owner with their own authority has full control over every aspect of their business, including which shippers or brokers to work with, which is a big factor in revenue.
Put your backside in the seat of rig for a company and start getting some experience, then you'll start understanding some things a bit better.rollin coal and bullhaulerswife Thank this.
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