Best Load Board for Flatbed/RGN/Step deck etc

Discussion in 'Ask An Owner Operator' started by PDG, Dec 8, 2017.

  1. spyder7723

    spyder7723 Road Train Member

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    Ron, you are the one man pony show that has his act together. But you know as well as i do that for every guy like you, there is 99 that don't.
     
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  3. PDG

    PDG Bobtail Member

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    Hi Rontonio,
    Thank you for adding to the discussion. You are correct about knowing what is required to move what. I can only imagine how frustrating it must be to have newbies throwing loads out without knowing what is required. I am hoping that the boards suggested allow for putting full descriptions with dims etc and that the right oo's will respond. I have done a lot of self education. This coupled with my management's experience and the fact that some of our drivers have also driven flatbed etc, means that we are not flying completely blind. I don't simply throw out opportunities with knowing that it will require and RGN or a step deck, but it will be a process. It seems that Truck Stop might be the better option. Thank you, once again for everyone's help. Greatly appreciated.
     
  4. Rontonio

    Rontonio Road Train Member

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    Maybe so but I get my work through load boards...
    I have moved loads for Mercer that they do not have the capacity for or in my case the proper proper equipment leased on.

    I will never argue that there aren’t tons of bad carriers -there are - but also there are enough guys running under the flag of non-asset based carriers that have issues.

    Just pointing out that there are options.

    That being said, it is hard when the broker doesn’t have any real idea of the cost, time and complexity involved in os/ow work. This leads to using carriers that are not qualified because they also do not now the cost, time and complexity involved.

    Had a broker call me on a 18w 18t 90k load - hey I had a guy fall off this .... the trailer he was going through use “broke”. When I heard the all in number, I laughed and told him my trailer would “broken” for that number as well. I gave him a run down of the time involved and the number of sign offs involved and gave him a price more than double what he “had in it”. Sorry if you bid freight you don’t understand but I can’t lose money and time my equipment up for 3 weeks
     
  5. spyder7723

    spyder7723 Road Train Member

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    Ya i would never use a broker to move anything but toilet paper and plywood. Too many don't have a clue. Many do habe a clue, but as a person looking to ship something specialised its nearly impossible to know if abc logistics knows enough to get me a truck capable of moving my shipment.
     
  6. PPNLE

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    We do a lot of OS/OW movements at my brokerage. To say that there's a steep learning curve would be an understatement. That said, I'm not here to solicit business. But for what OP is asking, a brokerage with knowledge of OS/OW wouldn't be a bad fit, either.
     
  7. PDG

    PDG Bobtail Member

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    Important to appreciate that I am not a low cost chaser. My primary business is selling quality service, equipment and drivers and I have no issue walking away from a client who is trying to play price games. In the Auto Transport world and on our boards, drivers and carriers (including ourselves because were are a hybrid with our own fleet of enclosed car haulers) are held accountable. You screw up, are non communicative etc, it gets noted.

    We have black listed a long list of carriers who have done poor work for us. We only black list if the infractions are serious. In other words we take our business very seriously.

    Do freight boards not offer the same accountability for drivers? I understand that nothing is fail safe but if my option is a driver/carrier that has had issues, I won't use them to ship my clients loads. I am not looking for cheap, I am looking for quick options nationwide.

    Anyway, I will look into both and see how things roll out.

    As mentioned, I greatly appreciate all of the wisdom that has been shared and for everyone's time.
     
  8. PPNLE

    PPNLE Road Train Member

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    Short answer is, no, boards do not provide any measure of accountability on who you find out there to haul for you. That's solely on you to do the research and verify your carriers are worth the money you're offering. We have policies and procedures to vet carriers before they can be set up with us to do any business at my brokerage. Sometimes someone that looks good on paper doesn't look good in reality. That's the nature of this business, though. Best we can do is deactivate them in our system, put a note in their file, and refuse to work with them going forward, short of docking pay for serious infractions.

    It's all a matter of how you want to do business. I get the need to sell service - that's how I maintain repeat business as a broker working for a small shop. I don't charge bottom of the barrel prices because I know that I don't want to send in someone to make me look bad by proxy.
     
  9. PDG

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    PPDCT, I get it. Auto Transport comes with it's own pitfalls but double brokering can push me out of contention. In fact it already did today. I lost an 11 box truck move (EV manufacturer) and I came in too high, which is understandable because besides the oo, there were two brokers trying to take their cut. Note that anything that I would go to a load board for would be limited to vehicles, not freight. We don't chase dry van business or generators, steel mining or construction vehicles. These are drive on, drive off so this whittles down the equipment needed.

    Dims are the primary concern (oversized?need escorts?overweight). I worked for a 3PL for 6 months, on the freight side, so I do understand that if you were to take into account ALL of the variety of possible load types out there that, yes, it can be exhaustive. Also note that my client list needing this kind of equipment would be maybe 5 or 6. They only manufacturer a certain range of equipment, so after a couple of moves, I know what is needed in terms of equipment.

    If there was enough in it to pay off two brokers, then yes it would be worth it, but my price per vehicle for the loads I missed this morning were $800 more expensive. I can sing quality of service until I am blue in the face but no customer is going to say "I will pay $800 more for short LA - SF runs".

    Great conversation. Thank you.
     
  10. PPNLE

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    Ouch. Yeah, that's one of the myriad reasons why we refuse to double broker. I'm not trying to gank my customers, and I want to make sure the rate that I'm offering the carrier is getting to them specifically. I don't want a second broker trying to take a piece out of that pie.
     
  11. Rontonio

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    Post what it is and weight and dimensions- especially as it the loads get bigger. Most guys know ir be able to work it will fit for their equipment. Have your guys listen when they talk to carriers about why their quotes are what they are.

    Oh and 8 axle set ups generally don’t work for heavy freight (85k-95k) into it out of CA/AZ
     
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