Beware of M&H Logistics

I think what Gary was doing is this
He would have you sign paperwork that would give him the right to book your loads, so Gary would call XYZ company and act as your business, then he would sign the agreement with your company and theirs

so while you and XYZ had a so called no compete contract, meaning you could not call the shipper and do direct loads with out ending up in battle with XYZ Gary on the other hand could, see he got all the shippers information, costs, etc. then he would call XYZ and get a quote from them for a "similar" move....... Now he had all the info he needed to call the shipper as an outsider and under bid XYZ meanwhile stealing loads from you and XYZ, the only people in a no compete contract was you and XYZ

he then had a buddy start a company to lease on to and would always say what a great lease it was and they were getting more work all the time, I think this was a scam from this deceitful beginning, Gary at M&H used drivers and brokers for information only, that's why he didn't care if you sat, all he needed was new faces ( or companies ) to call brokers with to get info, he couldn't keep calling with the same old names and by doing so he did the same thing as Martha Stewart...... Nothing more than insider trading!!

 

Kind of disagree. I believe M&H were genuine in the respect of loading out trucks in their system. Very little of the freight I moved was theirs(under their brokerage MC) nor did they seem to want to manage that aspect. Granted this was back in 2007. They may have had relationships for time sensitive stuff, but did not seem interested in keeping/holding a shipper as a 100% customer. I even mentioned some manufacturing companies local to me that (I thought) would work for us & it pretty much fell on deaf ears. My thought was that having trucks in a system would have benefited all involved, but that mfg co was going to ignore a one truck show.

Have a friend who works at a very large company out west that had freight to fit smaller trucks & that too was ignored.

That said, posted somewhere in this thread I have posted I do not think their system works. It is not a knock against them personally as they do spend quite a bit of time making sure people run legally or know how to for the most part. Just think the class 3-5 truck pulling a 45' flat only fit in specific niche areas. It is just not something that works broadband scrolling ITS/Get Loaded etc. with or without M&H.

 

You say in 07, Gary was setting up a lease program in 2008-2009 and the way he had drivers set up made it very easy to get company information all the while being transparent doing it, no one I have met who had any dealings with Gary at M&H works with him anymore, a few are even on this forum, point is anyone who knows anything about business knows his way is flawed, he would have you sit for days/weeks and in the end get a $1.50 mile load and say it was great

What??? see he forgot to factor that it was a 14 day wait, insurance and cost of living still keep adding up, then he forgot to factor that sure it was $1.50 for 500 miles but didn't factor the 500 that idiot had you deadhead so now it's $0.75 a mile and took you 3 weeks to make fuel and only part of your insurance expenses

This is the NORM with him not the exception, find me 3 guys who are not his "buddies" who have been there longer than a year and who love it and maybe I will post something else, my guess is it cannot be done, they don't exist

This isn't a who's right/wrong discussion, it is a way to hopefully keep any other wannabes from spending their last $$ chasing his ( garys ) scam

 

Agreed, see post #100 in this thread. Pretty much posted the same thing. The only I was disagreeing with is that they were using o/o to quote direct freight. My point was they did not seem interested then & again when a friend of mine offered them some direct freight in 2011 or so. Never will understand that.

 

This is Gary with Gary's Fleet Service/M&H Logistics. GYPSY65 you are INCORRECT. Theres only a few people who have posted in here that have actually worked with me. LBZ is one that I helped get started in trucking long ago. Thats what my business is about, helping new guys get started on the right foot. LBZ and I had different ideas about how to run so we parted company. Nothing wrong with that, I'm happy to see he's still out there trucking.

LBZ, it's to long ago for me to remember the details about the people you had call here. I appreciate you sending them our way but I'm sure there was a good reason why we couldn't help them. It may have been that after checking, that we found we had already hauled a load for them through a Broker? In that scenario we won't go around the Broker. Or it could've been payment terms, As you know we require on all Shipper direct loads for the Shipper to pay the Owner Operator in full on pickup, or delivery. Company check, cash whatever. I remember you getting some work like that while you were here. Thats just our way of limiting the risk to the Owner Operators we work for on any Shipper direct loads.

GYPSY65, I have never leased on guys here, nor will I ever. We HELPED a Independent Owner Operator try to write a fair lease once but sadly it didn't pan out for him. By him being fair there just wasn't enough left in it for him to make it work. You should do a little more reading on the subject before commenting. You say you worked with us and your out of FL? There's only two people I can think of who live in FL that actually used our dispatch service here. If your really out of FL it's not hard to figure who you are. LOL.

As far as you saying that we run a dishonest business, you saying it doesn't make it so. In the 30 years I've been in trucking I've never back solicited a Brokers accounts nor will I ever. I've never used Shipper, Broker, or Owner Operator information in an unprofessional manor. I challenge anyone to prove otherwise. These are the main reasons why Shippers and Brokers continually offer us their freight. It's how you last in this business, you should try it.

What I've learned over the last 9/10 years owning and running a dispatch service is there's always someone you couldn't help, or refused to help because of their work ethics. Which one are you? The funny thing is, even this little bit of bad publicity draws people to us. When they take a peek at our site, or talk with us on the phone they have you pegged for who, and what you are. Doesn't take a rocket scientist.

Another thing I've learned over the years is if your doing all you can for the people you work for, you'll always do well. Even if you can't help everyone the way they feel they should be helped. Sorry I can't stick around longer but as usual we have trucks to load. You guys have a good day.

 

LOL, first off nobody ever sat for 14 days that I can remember. If they sat for more then 3 days for other than the weather having everything shut down, it's likely because they were turning down freight. Or they demanded a load going somewhere we normally wouldn't send a truck at that time. Thats because hot lanes are constantly changing in this business. Whats hot today may not be hot tomorrow. If you had any real experience in trucking you'd know that. Most of the rates we get for our Owner Operators are right around $2.00 a mile. Is there an occassion when we will offer something for less? Absolutely, if a Owner Operator has been waiting and no good paying loads are available then we'll offer the best paying load we can find, or possibly make a suggestion to bounce to another area thats busier. That is if it's not to far. The deal we make with everyone we load is the same as it always has been, we tell them we will only offer you loads we'd consider hauling on our own truck.

I try to be friends with everyone I work with because it's good business. If a person is too whiney, Rude, or wants to back solicit. I don't want anything to do with them. Trucking is a real job, it's not for cry babies, and you'll get nowhere screwing over the people offering you work.

Could we give you names of people here who are happy? Probably not because I've never met a happy trucker. Nobody is happy about being in a truck day in and day out. Could I give you names of truckers working with us that have been here for a long time? Yes, but why would I give you anything? The same money is still out there for people who are serious about working. We have several people here hitting, and exceeding the $20k mark almost every month. Is there people here earning less? Absolutely but it's almost always for reasons that I can't control.

 

Business must be slow if Gary graced us with his presence. .

 

I wouldn't say slow, just had a bunch of loads prebooked for today. Like this one for $2600.00 going 1,170 miles.

 

There was a post today on Gary's forum about how quite things were on that site. He responded by saying everyone is really busy and that's why there hasn't been any post's lately. I would like to hear from guys who have been with this company for more than a year and are currently in business.

 

Rates here in CA have gone through the floor in the past few weeks.
Plenty of freight moving but it's very cheap.
Our construction based trucking is slow but at least working every day and at the same rates as summertime. We don't drop our rates because of time of year.
I myself spent this week shuttling some of our trailers in and out of the shop, wash and getting 90 day inspections on them so when more freight is available than $1pm truckers to haul it we will be ready to make some money.
I find it more profitable to not run at all than run for cost or less