Big Cam Cummins problems

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  1. Grumpybear

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    The drill rig is a 1978 Chicago Pneumatic RT1800.
     
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  3. Grumpybear

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    The fan is installed the proper way. I have run into that a few times on things, definitely easily overlooked.
     
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  4. OLDSKOOLERnWV

    OLDSKOOLERnWV Captain Redbeard

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    Never been on one of those. Spent a lot of time with this CP T-650 though.

    When you get the chance measure the diameter of the pulley on the water pump from the engine that came off the drill originally, then measure the one on the drill now.

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    OLDSKOOLERnWV Captain Redbeard

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    The engine is deck mounted correct?
     
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    OLDSKOOLERnWV Captain Redbeard

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    Do u you know if the replacement engine had larger injectors in it??
     
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    What about air to air? Did it have one in the truck and does it have one now?
     
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  8. Grumpybear

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    The engine in this rig is the only engine on it. It both drives the rig and operates everything on the rig. The engine pulled from the rig years ago was sold with the truck that the current engine was pulled from, so I cannot measure water pump pulleys, but it was just another Big Cam II and it was not the original engine to the rig. It was pulled from another truck many years ago and placed in the drill rig, and it was actually the 3rd engine in the rig. I'm not even sure what the original engine was. When I looked up the part number of the injectors in the current engine, I believe original application was an NTC475, so I'm assuming they are a larger than stock injector. I'm not sure what the difference is between the current cam in the engine and was original to the engine, so I'm not sure how a stock injector would respond if installed. As far as after aftercooling, the engine is running the stock Big Cam aftercooler built into the intake and had no other aftercooler on the truck the engine was pulled from. The engine pulled from the rig had the same intake/aftercooler setup as the current engine.
     
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  9. Dino soar

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    You kind of have a Frankenstein engine there.

    You have 14 and 1/2 to 1 compression Pistons, which is normally 350 horsepower, but you have those larger injectors in there.

    By the way I don't know what those injectors are for but I had another big cam 400 in another truck that had those injectors and my God that truck was like a bullet.

    I bought it that way they had it turned up and basically the engine self destructed.

    Part of the problem possibly is you changed the pump but the pump and the injectors have to work together as one unit. The injectors are set for the calibration of the pump. If you take the injectors and the pump to a good Pump Shop they can flow the injectors to the pump.

    When you mix applications from a stationary unit to something from a truck the engine is going to behave differently. Isn't necessarily you have to make it to a certain CPL but there are large injectors with the timing of 14 and 1/2 to 1 compression and the stationery pump... that combination is probably not good.

    You should try to set the timing and the pump and the injectors to whatever CPL that original stationary engine was. If that is the pump from the stationary engine there should be a number on it.

    If the original engine was a 400 it probably had 14 to 1 pistons in it. With that engine with the 14 and 1/2 to 1 you really need to slow the timing down because the timing was even faster on those engines.

    In my opinion higher compression more fuel faster timing and a different pump will give you an unknown result.
     
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