Blind load, weight difference and hazmat

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  1. 06driver

    06driver Road Train Member

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    No it is not see above.

    It is about concealing the source of the load from end user.
     
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    I regard weight in the BOL as the maximum the cargo should weigh. As long as it is shipper load and count, I don't worry about weight listed on the BOL. Neither does DOT. We had a driver hook to a load where the bills said 4,000 lbs, it was 40,000. Dot didnt care about the driver saying "but look at the bol, it said I wad only 4k" and gave him one heck of an overweight fine.

    As to the hazmat - who knows. Some are, some aren't depending on packaging type, quantity, etc. It's the shippers responsibility to properly package and label the freight, and to properly prepare the shipping papers - page numbers, type of hm, type of pacakging, UN number, number of packages, total hazmat weight, packing group, emergency contact , and shipper certification.

    If the hazmat isn't listed first, in a contrasting color, or has an x in the hm column its not hazmat. If its turns put to be, and the shipper hasn't listed it as such, it goes back on the shipper.
     
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    A well known custom bike parts company actually manufacture's nothing. All their parts are made by other companies. Everything is packaged with their name but shipped from different manufacturers. Don't know what's so hard to understand about
     
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    Ok I don't think this too far of a stretch but...
    Wouldn't this example explain the situation with food poisoning, e-coil I(I know its spelled wrong) like the stuff you hear about on the news on food not to eat?
     
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    gentleroger Road Train Member

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    Not really. I would guess it has more to do with the amount of processing, cleanliness of production, and non source point contamination (runoff from otger farms contaminating the water ).
     
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    like @gentleroger said it will not help with the actual contamination. Where it is an issue is when a recall is sent out. The company has to recall everything made from date x to date y as there is no telling exactly where to contamination came from.

    Nestle is creating a system that will track all their raw product deliveries from the farm all the way up to selling a finished product. That way they can know it was batch A from Bob's farm that was bad. They can then only recall the actual contaminated product, not millions of other products that "might" have been contaminated.
     
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    I wouldn’t worry much about the weight difference.

    Billed higher than actual is no big deal. However, in some cases it could make a difference in what placards you would need, so that much you’d have to be mindful of.
     
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    Years ago we used to move DuPont loads from NJ to Baltimore alternating with another carrier from another producer in DE. DuPont went on a maintenance shut down and shipped their next load -double blind from the DE shipper [double blind means the other shipper isn't supposed to know where it is going either] and when the driver arrives at the end user the receiver pulls a top sample, holds the glass up to the sky and says you picked this one up form XXXXX in DE, right?

    A lot of blind shipments are to protect the shipper.

    We used to do moves for a small chem co, the guy had retired from a major chem producer and had a 'sweetheart' price FOB from the former employers plant as long as he buys a million pounds per year.

    This guy focused on the smaller users who were paying top price. He sold at a price between his 'deal' price and the list price and always provided his own papers so the receiver couldn't see where he got the material.

    Also saw it a lot on international shipments to Canada. The distributor in Canada provided shipping papers from his location for shipments from the US. They were only used for the delivery, we crossed customs with the originals.
     
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    The DOT couldn't care less what the weight on the BOL says. What they care about is what the scale says.
    Lots of times, the weights on a BOL are just a wild guess. Sometimes they will actually use a scale to weigh the product, but most don't.
     
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    Blind shipments were commonplace during my career. These days, it is a good question what with elogs and such? The good thing is, no matter where the BOL says you picked up at, it will be recorded on your elog where you picked up at. If a violation is issued, it will probably be against the shipper for bad paperwork? As far as the Hazmat goes, if its not marked Hazmat on your BOL, I would not placard it cause then it would be on you if the placard is wrong. If its supposed to be hazmat and they didnt mark it as such on the BOL, its on them. Thats why the book tells you that if you suspect its hazmat, get it straightened out Before you leave the dock.