brokers, riddle me this ?

Discussion in 'Freight Broker Forum' started by dannythetrucker, Jul 9, 2013.

  1. dannythetrucker

    dannythetrucker Road Train Member

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    Why are some loads posted on load boards with innacurate (less than actual) miles ? I'm just trying to wrap my head around how this happens. I'm trying to give y'all the benefit of the doubt here. I'm trying not to believe it is a deliberate attempt to dupe less than intelligent carriers into hauling cheaper than they should. y'all wouldn't do that would you ? I mean you wouldn't really want to hire the dumbest bottom feeding trucker that can't even add to haul your customer's freight just so you could put a little extra money in your pocket would you ? You want your customer to get good service from people who can add and stuff, right ?

    So what is the explanation ? These loads stick out like a sore thumb because the mileage is in parentheses, at least on Member's Edge. like this

    Lisbon, ND - Bishopville, SC.PNG

    I guess the other obvious question is why does Member's Edge or other load boards allow this ? Is it so hard with modern technology to not just have the mileage calculated by google maps or PC Miler or something ? It's bad enough y'all don't even bother to explain the load or put some kind of rate offer, but I know, wasting carrier's time is half the game, I get it. You have people to sit on the phone all day, most of us carriers don't. If you can out wait us eventually someone will crack and haul cheap. It's not rocket science. But seriously, how can these mileages be this far off without total dishonesty and intent to deceive behind it ? BTW, here is the real mileage.

    Lisbon, ND - Bishopville, SC-gmap.jpg

    In closing, to the brokers who do not engage in this practice and actually list your items from where they actually come from going to where they are actually going to and even give a few relevent details about the load. Thank You ! To the one's that don't and to Member's Edge for allowing this deceptive practice, well all us carriers just get to spend a little more time double checking everything, and calling on loads that we can't haul because they're too heavy, require tarps we don't have, aren't where they say they are, etc., etc... But don't you worry none, we just pass that expense right back to you in higher rates. Thanks for your contribution to the transportation industry, we're all in this together.
     
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  3. pusherman

    pusherman Medium Load Member

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    it's very simple, don't believe all what they put up there for starters, then when u run the miles & see that they're off by X amount of miles, all u gotta do is give them a higher rate per mile to compensate for the normal. pretty simple
     
  4. snowwy

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    never seen that before. but i wouldn't use google maps.

    you need trucking software of some sort. like truckmiles.com to figure out the miles.

    exzample plot your course from billings montana to reno nevada. using both google and truckmiles. your going to find 150 miles difference. becuase google takes you through yellowstone and trucks aren't allowed through the park.

    another example would be gallup nm to phoenix az. 60 miles difference and 5 extra hours to drive. you can truck on the shorter route but it's a lot of hills. faster and less fuel consumption to strictly stay on the high and run through flagstaff. drive the extra 60 miles.

    another example would be missoula montana to boise idaho. 450 miles and 15 hours through the mountains or 600 miles and 10 hours to drive through pocatello.

    i seen a looad posted today going from detroit to summerland key floriday. not a bad rate. but didn't look for any loads coming back out. so that's questionable as to the rate. but look on google where summerland key florida is. would have been an interesting drive.
     
  5. snowwy

    snowwy Road Train Member

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    i tried to compensate with a broker once. don't even bother anymore.

    she didn't want to pay $2 a mile. and didn't care about the entire stretch of toll to get there. on the 80
     
  6. dannythetrucker

    dannythetrucker Road Train Member

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    you know what's even simpler ? Doing your job with a little honesty and integrity.

    Usually the way I handle these things is to ask them if they want me to take it all the way there or drop it off 300 miles from the destination. Then I quote them higher than everyone else. I mean they may as well answer the phone and say,"I intend to screw you over". It is no different than posting up short miles. ding, ding, ding ! are you getting this ?

    Or perhaps another option would be to tell them, "I'm showing 1900 miles on this, so I need xxx to haul it". How did I come up with 1900 ? I pulled it out of thin air, I figure as long as we're making up miles I might as well pick the number I want to get paid on. Making up miles is fun, isn't it ?
     
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  7. SamTheMan

    SamTheMan Light Load Member

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    TQL does this everyday to nearly every load.
     
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  8. Casual Trucker

    Casual Trucker Medium Load Member

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    So do Ya really want the answer or you just want to vent a little? the answer to that is simple and that is if you don't like it?
    someone else is willing to do it (TOO MANY TRUCKS) and they are happy to do it. The rich people call that healthy competition
    As long as they are NOT Competing . The more important reason is disorganization (too many Wana Be chiefs) . Every one has an opinion
    on how things should be. So we have no leadership & no clue how to start one either just when you think of an organization that might
    Help us get organized we always manage to screw it up.It cost money to get organized but if you try to start a membership program you will either
    get stoned or called every name in the book. So why bother just learn how to survive in this murky waters or find another way to deal with the stress
    I will Give you an Example. Go on the CB Radio and ask what is the exit for the flying J in Dallas,TX and I will Bet you a dollar to a Donut you will get several
    Answers why Because in most of us there is this huge need for recognition ( I know more than you Do, My CB is biger than Yours,My engine is Bigger than this or that)
    and so on and so on and if you try to help some one you will find your self in the same boots Jesus was many many years ago so needless to say and take it from me don't try to fix it
    Just learn how to go around the lake of the doomed Because just when you think you just helped some one an insignificant ####roach will serface on this forum and call you names and try
    to drool all over the forum saying crap that does not make sense to an orangutan and the sad part is there are many of those insignificant little pests around this planet and not just in trucking
    They Actually think they know something of value. Or they just think if they make a lot of noise around this planet they eventually may get some attention so they can rest assured of their insignificant existence.
    And If you are not sure that what I said here is true . The Next time you are setting in your cab in any big truck stop watch you fellow trucker as he /she ignores pedesrians and almost runs everybody over just so he/she can make a buck or two that day.
     
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  9. king Q

    king Q Road Train Member

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    When I was a broker I only used a handful of companies and some o/o.
    Only specialized freight and the question was always.
    What would you be happy to to this load for.
    If they were unfamiliar with the type of load or route any anomaly was specifically pointed out.
    Much easier dealing like that.
    My motto was if you not happy then we don't have to do it.
    I want the trucker to be happy to take my call and haul freight for me.
    If you do accept a load then I expect attention to detail , good communication and no undue whining.
    For this I charged and paid a premium over the normal rates.
    I did not handle huge volumes as this market is limited.
    I suppose this is not an option with general freight because cost is king.
    I seldom was near competitive on general freight , I could live with that though.

    I just don't have the personality to haggle about price even going to the point of not being truthful.
    I'm not saying I'm a better person but who wants to do business with people that you have to constantly check up on to see if they tiring to crook you.
    If you had to check the weight of every item you bought at a store to see if they were lying would you continue to shop there?If every time you filled your tank you had to check to see if their gauge purposefully over-measured would you ever use them.
     
  10. Saddletramp1200

    Saddletramp1200 Road Train Member

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    Like you Q. I need a good wage, You do also. I never abuse anyone, unless they require it. When I deal for a load, respect makes a lot of difference. Were both greedy. Let's talk.
     
  11. 15 over

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    Yes TQL is full of shenanigans like this. One of my favorite conversations with a TQL dispatcher was me calling for what they posted as a partial load. When I called about it, they proceed to tell me it is a load of Styrofoam insulation panels and that the load is 48 feet long, 8 feet wide and 8 feet tall, but it only weigh's 4000 pounds, so they consider it a partial load. I had to laugh and tell them not where I am from that is not a partial, no thanks, I will pass on your 1.10 a mile partial load. Plus they were about a 100 miles short on a 500 mile run.
     
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