but i thought it was easy

Discussion in 'Questions From New Drivers' started by TheRedskinsWay, Jul 29, 2011.

  1. TheRedskinsWay

    TheRedskinsWay Light Load Member

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    So i started my first drive bobtailing around the range today for about 4hrs. My first time in the drivers seat i seen a side my instructor i never seen before he is the nicest and funniest person i ever met but i made him hop out of his seat pulled the brakes and yelled at me. I deserved ever bit, the problem was i was driving the truck like it was my tiny car(BIG MISTAKE) not turning enough, one hand chilling on the steering wheel , pushing the brakes and gas pedal to hard.I also cant get used to the mirrors when backing, its like i cant see nothing and everything seems really far away than it actually is. I was just a mess! After a break and him showing me how to drive the truck again, i was back in and cleaning up all of those issues, but a few.
    My current issue is taking off smoothly, i do everything my instructor tells me to do but when my clutch meets friction and i slowly release the clutch the spring in the clutch gives a little pop and my truck goes VROOOM, Im not sure its just the truck(98 international) or me to stupid to control it all the way out.
    Now i can upshift alright, alittle sloppy by alright, i just need to remeber not to press the clutch to far in. My issue is downshifting, every normal step in downshift i pause at and my mind goes "ummmm" and forget everything! Like i forget what gear im in, what gear im going to, where should i move, and when should i release and apply the clutch. then I mess up, stop, and scream F***!!

    Now im starting to second guess myself and wondering not having any manual shift experience will stop me from driving this truck right. I'm supposed to drive on the road with a trailer next week, and I really starting to freak out because there is no space on the road to #### up on. tell how you guys started out driving these trucks.please any tips, hints,pointers or home praticing ideas will help me.

    Thanks for reading.
     
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  3. rachi

    rachi Road Train Member

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    Don't overthink it, just relax and it will come to you. It will be easier to shift when you get that empty trailer hooked up as the bobtail won't be jumping around as much. Everybody has a difficult time shifting when they first start, especially downshifting.
     
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  4. BigJohn54

    BigJohn54 Gone, but NEVER forgotten

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    I'll share something that helped me when trying to learn to land an airplane so I could solo. They actually teach or suggest this.

    Set in your chair, close your eyes and practice shifting gears. This will help you memorize the gear positions and the process. Be able to know where all the pedals and controls are in your mind and reach out and touch them.

    Setting in your chair there is no pressure. If you screw up start again and get it right. You don't have to do it in real time. You are going for technique and procedure.

    As others have said, when you are doing this at school relax and it will come with practice.
     
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  5. Frenzy

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    A lot of the driving gets easier when you have a trailer attached. The mirrors will be easier to use because the trailer will give you a reference point. The added weight of the trailer will also make shifting smoother.

    As far a starting out from a dead stop, car drivers pick up habits that don't work well for a truck. In a way it's going to be easier for you to learn a semi manual because you don't have any prior experience with a car manual. The bad habit that you learn with an automatic transmission (in cars) is applying throttle before the vehicle will move. This leads to applying throttle before the clutch has engaged, leading to a "pop" start.

    Just keep your foot off the throttle pedal until the truck starts moving and the clutch is fully engaged. The engine will not stall, the electronics will apply enough fuel to maintain the low idle speed.

    Downshifting is harder, because you have to do three different things at the same time while driving. The thing for me was that 5th (on a 9 spd) was my friend. No matter how badly I screwed, it always seemed to drop into 5th sweetly.

    Follow BigJohns advice on practice. It's been found in sports that mental rehearsal is as important as physical practice for improvement.

    The school may have a training library, Eaton Fuller had a few good videos on their transmissions, understanding exactly whats going on in the box under you while you shift may help you understand better what you need to do.
     
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  6. musicgal

    musicgal Road Train Member

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    This tip was given to me by my teacher at school........get a plunger and pretend it is your shifter.....then just practice shifting nice and smooth in comjuction with your "clutch, brake, and throttle" feet.
     
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  7. NewNashGuy

    NewNashGuy Road Train Member

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    I am new and never drove a semi before but I assume that they drive like a stick shift car? If so, my first car that I learned to drive when I was 16 was a stick. I never thought I would ever get used to it, since even when I slowly let off the clutch it seemed like the car jumped. If it is anything like driving a regular stick shift, I know to smoothly press the gas while slowly letting off the clutch and it will be smooth. Heck I can sit on a steep hill backwards and go smoothly with a stick now. I don't even know how I had so much trouble at first. I am sure you will be the same way :) I hate teachers who get mad at students. A lot of my friends say that I am an excellent teacher as I remain patient, calm, and give examples to help them.
     
  8. BigJohn54

    BigJohn54 Gone, but NEVER forgotten

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    They aren't much the same in any way.

    With a truck you don't touch the throttle until it's moving. Sometimes it is best to put your throttle foot flat on the floor so you don't automatically mash it when the truck starts to move. If you give it any throttle while letting the clutch out it will buck like a prize bull.

    The RPM drop between truck gears is about 500 while cars are about three times that depending on the transmission.
     
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  9. midriver23

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    big trucks dont have syncronizers in the trans like small cars and trucks do to make down shifting easier
     
  10. turnanburn

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    when you drive your car or pick up you don't think about the moves--you just kind of do them. After enough seat time, the moves come as well in a big truck. You will build the skill level to where your driving becomes intuitive. But not too intuitive because you need to remain hyper vigilant when in control of 80,000 pounds.
     
  11. TheRedskinsWay

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    Thanks guys, I've been looking at many YouTube videos on downshifting(they make it look so easy), like rachi said I'm just overthinking way to much. Bigjohn and musicgal those ideas sound great! I'm sure those will help me out 100%, I just need to practice practice and practice, I start again Monday I hope I can get this stuff downpack.
     
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