Buying used truck, would this dyno report alarm you?

Run like an sob from that truck. Sounds to me from what you are describing like an old Werner truck. Seems like the specs I've seen on every other old Werner truck and also explains the numbers aside from putting 85% to the ground. Here's the question did they verify the engine setting before the dyno? 362 to the street is alright for a 435...not very good on a 500. Something to think about. I can say I have a 550 twin turbo cat. I was raised on caterpillar engines and I'm die hard caterpillar and to be 100% brutally honest I hate that cat under the hood of our 06. Just shy of 700k and when I got home today my dad had stuck a white mudflap under the blow by tube. Had oil coming out of that (more than it should have) and its leaking oil from the transfer pump (seal under warranty still thankfully) but he thinks its missing and fuel economy is crap. I have an old E model. That sob has double the miles, no oil comes out of the blow by tube and a lot less smoke, never misses, and we call it a PMF. Still averaged 6mpg last week. (Bout double our 06.) I don't have much good to say about the acerts costs an arm and a leg to overhaul them and they don't run very well. Cats been sued over these motors think the EPA has a lot to do with most of the problems then again all emissions motors have that problem. Cummins cat or Detroit though Cummins and Detroit have less problems in pre dpf and def anything 2010+ is about as worthless as worthless gets when you talk to owner operators. County over bought 2 new freightliners powered by Cummins. They've been at freightliner in lincoln more than they've been on the road according to my uncle its all warranty work but it still hurts. I'm biased I love cats but in all honesty the avert is worthless.

 

So, are you looking for advice or validation of your decision??

 

He WANTS to buy the truck against most of our advice........... he asked and we told........kinda like my kids, I tell them that fire is hot don't put your hand in it.......if they do and get burnt...then it's their problem and pain.

It's an Arrow truck, off hire from ATS and the code light was out / unhooked / disabled whatever. The dyno bites IMO. Somebody is hiding something from the buyer IMO. Typical behavior of a used truck dealer...........

Injectors for that dude push $600 each, premium inframe pushes $20K......need I say more??>?>?

Good luck.......

 

That truck is actually getting around 6.3-6.4 mpg which is about avg from what I've seen. I say that because 24k engine hours shows substantial idle time, so take that for what it's worth. As-in, lots of hours idling that don't appear on the odometer. It's all wear and tear. I saw what I think is this truck on the Arrow site and it looks like it got a nice detail job on picture day. No apu on it, so that explains the idle time. Find one that has an apu and less hours. Even if the apu is worn out, that's wear that didn't get put on the engine. You'll be a hundred thousand miles ahead on the same truck without one.

For that money, you can find a better truck even at Arrow. You should pass on this one. In my opinion, you're paying premium money for a minimally equipped fleet truck that is starting out with a lot of little things going on already. Not saying that won't be the case with similar trucks with same age/miles, don't settle for less. If you insist on buying this one, have them put the premium warranty on it and discount the sale to offset all or most of it. Also, they have better trucks. Don't limit yourself to nearby dealer inventory. I bought my current truck from the Arrow location in Atlanta, but the truck came off the San Antonio lot.

So.. speaking of Arrow, I had a positive experience dealing with them. They did have the pre-purchase repairs done right to my satisfaction. I can't speak to all their locations, but I knew my salesman from his last job and the entire staff at the Atlanta location did a more than fair deal and then some. I would buy another from them.

RE what chalupa said about hiding things, I agree. Based on my experience with Arrow, I doubt they were the ones that did it. They are however a dealer. They buy and sell them. And if it ain't obviously broke, they're not going to find and fix it. More likely it was done by the seller to pump up the trade-in or sale price. Still a matter to consider, regardless of who dunnit. On the engine repairs, I'm sure you're aware that Arrow will only fix what's broken. No fault there, I'd do the same if I was selling one. On the cat IVA deal, I can almost guarantee it's not going to a cat dealer and it won't get other recommended valve train issues addressed "while they're in there." Mine broke an exhaust valve rocker. The cat dealer found that it still had the original style IVA studs (known to break and revised at least 4 times) and recommended replacing all 6 exhaust rockers, which also had revised part numbers. That turned an $800 broken item repair into $2300 for some peace of mind.

I won't go deep into the merits or lack of for the acert cat. I did a lot of reading and talked with many owners. There are just as many fans as there are foes. What remains true is two things. One, cat repairs will run 1.5x what others cost. Two, no matter what power plant you end up with, you're gonna be fixing it at those miles and probably sooner than later. On the cat it will probably be valve train stuff (IVAs and studs, rockers, etc). On a DD 14L it will be egr/exhaust related stuff. Too many stories about cylinder head issues with ISX had me worried. At the end of the day, they will all break in their own special way. You're better off to focus instead on getting one that's well equipped (apu, expanded gauge package, good or new tires/brakes) versus what color the engine is painted. And don't settle for less than exactly the options you really want. Trust me, you'll regret it later if you settle.

 

I really dont mean to sound crass but if you are a diehard Cat guy what are you going to do in the future for engines? Im not sure how old you are but unless you are 10 years from retiring, you will probably not be a Cat guy till you die. My dad was a diehard 8v92 guy then reluctantly ran big cam 400's for a while but swore he'd never put one of those "yellow bulldozer engines" in a truck (he owned a dozen Cats the last few years he had trucks).
Unfortunately the best we can do is make lemonade when EPA hands us lemons. In the next 10 years every state is going to require 2010 or newer (if the Feds dont do it sooner). Even if they don't mandate it, are you planning on rebuilding 6NZ's or twin turbos for the next 30 years?

Again, im not trying to be a dink but I think serious professional owner ops need to start having this conversation. In my grandfathers day a guy would own a truck for 10 or 15 years. Todays trucks cant do that. How do we keep the old school 2 or 3 truck owner operator around for the long run if we refuse to accept that change is here? 2010 engines are worthless but how long can you resist owning them before its a net loss for you?

 

IF ARROW HAD ANYTHING TO DO WITH IT,RUN FAST RUN FOR THE HILLS. my buddy got one from there last winter in MPLS big ol salesman was a good talker and BS'er,My friend took his time he had from last july to get a truck then on the last day in dec for a write off he buys the one at arrow,second truck he seen. I looked it over it looked good the guy only let us run it in the lot and said insurance wouldn't let it go on the road on Saturday,We believed him,well i guess the water light should have been the first clue,and needing to add to it. But he bought that truck and i was working on it this winter in his cold unheated shed in MN,and it was fine ,then in spring when i hooked up to the flatbed and had it running it leaked out coolant ....um head gasket ,I learned a lot for that sale, I called the owner of the truck from his DOT number and he had good things to say about it, so we did not have to worry,since he got his money what he got to lose, so we thought,Maybe it was a consignment i don't know either way the last owner got another truck and we got his trouble.I will never deal with arrow again or that sales guy i for got his name black man ,really big,fast talker. oh one more thing,Also we threw around the idea about not letting us on the road to drive it ,and came to the conclusion they knew,it was bad. so i decided to call them up and said i was going to be in town on sat and wanted to look at a truck can i test drive it and she said you sure can,i said will your insurance let me do that she said yes sure why not,i said i heard you cant drive on the road on saturday due to your insurance restriction she said no i never heard of that.so if i was you and this truck had to do with arrow i wold run. also my cousin use to drive for ATS,and there stuff was not very well taken care of this was 10 years ago so things can change

 

I worked for Harold Anderson. ATS He took great care with his trucks. You had to be a real good driver to get hired when I drove for Him. Rolly and what's her name keep up the trucks. If it has less than 30,000 miles, I'm worried. If it has more than 300,000. I have to pass it by. Your choice.