C.R. England and Sons, Inc. - West Valley, Ut.

Blue and BigGrin, both you guys are right. At least from your own perspectives. Grin, I believe it's possible a driver can "make it", solo or team, at C.R. England. But is it probably not going to happen. I've heard too many good guys, guys who know how to drive for a living, tell me that CRE sucks.

Every company needs a few superstars they can parade around the block and point at as examples. These superstars succeed because the companies want them to. "See what you can be at CRE?" A success story helps recruiting efforts, and it also helps sow the seeds of doubt in the heads of newbies about the credibility of guys like me who tell them the truth about CRE. Not knowing any better, these newbies ignore that truth and sign on with these rotten outfits. Of course, it's not long before the driver seats of those newbies are vacated. Driver seats that are filled through constant, overcrowded orientation classes.

Yeah, you can be a superstar at CRE. You CAN win. But I sure wouldn't chance it. Those good guys who told me otherwise know what they're talking about, and I'm going to listen to them. You will NEVER see me driving an England rig, not even the day after doomsday.

If one is succeeding at CRE, it's because an insider at CRE is making sure it happens. Maybe this insider is simply someone who cares enough to make sure the drivers win, and works hard to make sure they win. But as we both know, most insiders don't give a #### about the person who actually drives the truck. This means that if you ARE winning at CRE, it's a contrived effort (that you may not be aware of) with ulterior motives attached.

But it's good you succeeded there, Grin. I'm happy for you.

 

My wife and I also started with CRE and called it quits after 90 days (Every New Guy Leaves After Ninety Days.) We have joined another company as a team and our pay, including bonuses has tripled.

We're considering leasing and are starting to do our research. Anyone have a good experience with a company you lease with? Anyone want to suggest who to STAY AWAY from?

Thanks in advance for your help!

Bill

 

I don't have to tell you about England. You've "been there, been screwed by that".

I think you should look into Crete, Roehl, or Landstar (if they're still in business).

To find other companies you should avoid, just look around this site a while. It's a good source of information that is probably 98%-99% unbiased, as the imps don't allow posers using recruitment tactics (lying) to post here, at least not for long.

 

We're considering leasing and are starting to do our research. Anyone have a good experience with a company you lease with? Anyone want to suggest who to STAY AWAY from?

Some friends of mine who used to drive team at USX, leased on with FedEx Custom Criticial and say they love it there, They live in NJ and do JIT work for some factory's in the Midwest. I have also talked to a few of their Contractors who have leased onto them and they seem to be happy with the company. One thing I will say is that you would have to be very customer oriented and able to handle the pressures of running expidited frieght to succeed at FedEx. Good luck.

 

Got that right beside that you have to go thru 13 wks training i work with them for 4 mnths thats right 4 months when i seen how this co worked i quit but in my Dac they said they fired me in my personal file they said i quit -n- they won't give me a copy of that paper saying they don't have to give me anything . so it looks like thier trying to black ball from driving trucks again -n- thiers nothing i can do about it they Bite the Big one

 

A private scool was my choice. After graduation I went stupid. I was at CR England in 2000. Their orientation appeared okay. I had a good feeling about England at that point.On the final day they brought in a very attractive woman to discuss lease options on their trucks.

Here is a room full of newbies, fresh out of school. What is this about? She said we can train with a lease operator and when we complete training, lease a truck.

All England does with the trainees is use them for B seat drivers. The trainers are on dedicated runs. (This is from what I was seeing). They also had 3 drivers to go retrieve abandoned trucks, many still under load.

I have to agree with the other post on their trucks. They are well maintained. Either they don't know what is wrong or don't care. On turn over rates, I read this article. The writer used Swift as an example only. They own 17,000 power units. Last year they hired 19,000 drivers. These companies need to do something. Idle trucks do not move freight very well.

ONWARD THRU THE FOG

 

Yeah,But every week people line up to work for CRE.

 

Yeah, and every week there are driver seats open for all those guys in those long-### lines.

Driver seats that are open because of all the guys who quit last week. How else do those jobs become available? England is "growing"? Yeah, right. If CRE was growing that fast, they'd have 60,000 trucks by now. Probably 75,000. Their terminal in SLC would be the size of Salt Lake City itself.

For every sap in one of those lines, there is a quitter who had to make his new job available. And in a few weeks, that sap will be quitting, too.

If a monkey sticks his fingers in a running fan and gets 'em hacked, he learns instantly not to stick his fingers in a running fan again. It's too bad a lot of truck drivers aren't this smart.

 

A true statement: Yeah, and every week there are driver seats open.. My girlfriend once told me the employment situation at England is similar to a revolving door. Informal definition of revolving door- An organization, institution, or place whose members, personnel, or population remain only
a short time before going elsewhere. How they manage to meet weekly payroll is unknown. They do have good qualified trainers. I had one.

ONWARD THRU THE FOG

 

But what is the advantage to C.R.England?A constant turnover costs CRE a fortune in advertising and recruitment costs.Why would they want that?