C.R. England and Sons, Inc. - West Valley, Ut.

I am now on my second truck running dedicated with England and still take home around 1200 a week, so all in all I am not getting the I dont make money with England. Is it just hit and miss maybe?

 

Some drivers become superstars at England. Most crash and burn. So, it's not "hit or miss" there. Based on the people I know who've told me about these jokers, it's more like miss miss miss...

That describes it about right.

 

Not quite!I just went throught it,and some others i know are still in it.

 

Yes, I was told wrong.Do you realize we have 40 pages of HORROR Stories here on CRE???? Wow

 

Here ya go!! I been treated like when the trucks a P.O.S its my fault,yup it's my fault that the truck need's a pm,a flat fixed,a light bulb changed,it took me 3 WEEKS to get a frickin turn signal fixed,as greedy as it sounds its not my responsibilty to pay for their trucks repair.hell they wouldnt even let me buy one and change the bulb and reimberse me for the bulbs

Like they give a ####,example,trainee called because his trianer wouldn't let him shower,or use his fuel card to get a advance,and made him drive 11,12,13 hours a day,or wouldn't let him use the restoom unless the trainer had to go.....His T.C told him to tough it out!(Worst thing was he was turned in by other CRE lease drivers!)

Not only is england makeing 3000 off each student but the D.O.T pay's them per student also why else is their school the cheapest out there?( That is from a 5 year CRE trainer!)

Im sorry, to be a leftist means GET THE HELL OUT OF THE U.S.!!

 

as a former cre guy, i can tell you that there are many happy cre drivers, what are they happy about?

they make about $500-$800 per week, and they are happy, most are company drivers and have been at cre for a long time, some are new company drivers and basically, cre controls everything about the load, including where you fuel, so as long as you are a conformist, cre is the place for you

if you want to lease, and you want control and you want to make more money, the rules change drastically

 

There's only one rule at England when it comes to the lease--drivers get fleeced in the Fleece Operator scam.

 

I went to school there at first an i made it all the way up to the backing umm there was 46 of us in the group they picked out the ones they wanted for drivers an sent the rest home.....there was one student that was in the truck with me that about T boned a car an they passed him he became a driver for them..... they sent me home cause i didnt pass there backing scores.....I went back to work for them later on an leased a truck from them an yes that was a joke.....they are still trying to charge me for the truck cause i didnt give them a months notice of turning it back in........

 

Lease Program
Proposed by CR ENGLAND



As proposed and presented in the example of independant contactor revenues and expenses for a solo driver. Projection do not include quarterly Income Taxes or health benefit.

Projection based on 158,000 miles ran in a 1 year period.

1 Take 150,800 miles per year or 2900 miles per week for 52 weeks.
To maintain the validity of these numbers the driver contractor must understand that there are no vacation time.

2 Lets assume the driver takes 1 day off every 11 days, this means the driver must travel 158,000 miles within 332 days at a rate of 454.21 miles per day.

3 In order to run 454.21 miles a day the driver must maintain an average moving speed of 45 miles per hour for 10.09 hrs daily. (One must account these variables, highway miles travel at 70 miles per hour, traffic time, bridges, tole, weather conditions, detention downtime. breakdown, loading and unloading, and god forbid emergency stops to go to the bathroom.) I think that this conclusion is more than reasonable.

4 The example given shows 2900 miles paid at .90per miles for a total of 2625.00. According to my calculation the total would be 2610.00, small discrepency of 15.00 a week or 780.00 a year.

5 Pick up drops and detention pay are scrutinized by most companies and the driver usually gets the low end of the bargain.

6 Fuel 6.1 mpg with fuel cap of 1.25 per gallon, 2900 miles under this equasion is 594.00.
(My understanding is that traffic time, Idling, running air conditionning, and milage to get to the destination may be scrutinized by the company and may affect these numbers. If the vehicule drops to 5.6 mpg and I beleive it is fair to say, the weekly expense would then be 647.32 per week .
A difference of 53.32 or 2772.70 per year.

7 General reserve, a .07 cents per miles for a total of 203.00 cap at 10,000. This is a reserve managed by the cie for maintenance of the vehicule, breakdown of items not under warrenty, tires and other issues the vehicule may encounter. It would be unwise to assume that the contributor would get a refund for unused maintenace reserve at the end of the lease .It would be wiser to expect and hope that no invoice or bills come from not rendering the vehicule in perfect condition.

8 Variable milage payment is 14cents per milesx2900miles=406.00 .This amount must be added to the contactor initial truck payment of 459.00 weekly for a total of 865.00 weekly payments,3748 monthly,or 44980 yearly.

Lets assume the vehicule is use and is worth 90,000 and has 250,000miles. If the vehicule was finance to purchase over 60 MONTHS@44% INTEREST Payments would be 3729.88

insurance which was a minimum of $138.06 a week with a note at the bottom,
*Rates subject to change*

Totalling an additional $552.24 every 4 weeks
CONCLUSION

As of last year we have heard more and more about predatory financing, mostly in real estate.
Many were sold loans on house they couldnt afford, with creative option arm program and no down financing, interest only loans.

It has become evident as of lately that many will need to foreclose and find themselves owing more that what they are worth.

The trucking industry seems do be going into the same direction. There is no way to sugar coat the numbers of such a lease, more than I have just did, and even then the bottom line is negative.

maybe i am not getting something

It just doesnt add up.

any comments will be appreciated

 

It all adds up to "stay the hell away from C.R. England's Fleece Operator scam".

Quit thinking an outfit such as C.R. England is your buddy. That'll get your mind right. Yes, they really are evil at these places and will steal you blind. If, that is, you're dumb enough to walk into their spider webs.