C.R. England and Sons, Inc. - West Valley, Ut.

As I recall, Grandma Debi WAS running team, and had just committed to C.R.E.'s lease/purchase program -- which she was telling us here was an opportunity to succeed, where MANY others have failed. And she knew all this after only a few months with C.R.E.

Sticks and stones can break our bones, but words should never hurt us.
There's also the possibility that she actually WAS recruiting, although there's no proof either way. I did find it odd that when the poster she was encouraging to go with C.R. England got the royal boot by C.R.E. -- Grandma Debi stopped posting.
Is it remotely possible that Grandma Debi DID learn the truth and failed as many others have -- and was too ashamed to admit it?

SOMEtimes, "negative" is a positive thing, especially when "negative" is the truth. To ignore that is akin to sticking one's head in the sand and pretending everything is alright.
Is that the wisest thing to do when seeking truthful, accurate information? Or, do they just hear what the wanna hear, and disregard the rest?

If those people are translating what they're seeing through rose colored glasses, I can understand WHY they get frustrated if they're put down for spreading less than accurate, reliable information. Perhaps they don't want to be confused by the facts?

That's not entirely true.

I wish you luck.

The evidence doesn't seem to indicate that to be factual about C.R.E.

From my research of C.R.E., it seems they prey on the uninformed and inexperienced newBees and wannaBees, who don't yet know any better, and are paid LESS than experienced drivers, ergo, they git 'er done more cheaply. And C.R.E. realizes larger profits.
And as long as the supply of unknowing, inexperienced wannBees keeps coming, and ignoring the warnings, they'll continue their practice because it IS profitable for them.

Well, in my opinion, the various companies SHOULD be HONEST and up-front with what they offer -- NOT making bull excrement sound like sugar.

If you were to learn that there was no potato in Burger King fries, and BK just advertised that their product was wholesome to lure you in -- how would you feel about that?

YeAH!
Those are some pretty serious "names" to be called. (Not)
There's also the possibility that one isn't actually an official company recruiter, yet they still influence others as though they were.

The blind leading the blind?
I question how someone with only a few months experience with a trucking company can come here as supposed experts on the virtues of that company before they've had enough time with that company to know for sure that their information is accurate.
That, IMO, is misleading and has the potential to help ruin another person's life.

True.

I doubt I could agree with that assessment more.
However, knowingly OR unknowingly providing false and/or misleading information is NOT acceptable.

I think that's very good advice.
But, on the other hand, imagine what some of those folks who have lost just about everything, including their homes, as a direct result of being what amounts to lied to, feel. Might a little "drama" be understood -- even expected?

"Serious" researchers tend to consider ALL information -- good, bad, and/or ugly, including the rants --- and decide for themselves which ones are valid.

Too often, folks only "research" the good comments, and ignore the bad. They just write the bad comments off as disgruntled employees blowing off steam.

There IS a reason why one company, C.R. England, receives SOooo many negative comments, -- and I don't believe they're all just blowing smoke because they weren't treated well. I believe the disproportionate number of complaints is a GOOD indicator of what a company is REALLY like, rather than what that company pretends to be.
I don't find many well experienced drivers mentioning how good C.R.E. is.
And again, I wonder why those in the know don't champion C.R.E. as a good company.

I realize there might be those who are satisfied with C.R.E., and those are the folks I'd like to hear more from. But, where ARE they?
If it's possible to get a good deal with C.R.E., I'd be interested in learning how they accomplished what so many others have failed to find.
And, until they report in, I'll continue to dislike what I've come to learn through MY research, about C.R. England.

Metal detectors and armed guards?
What's up with THAT?
Other companies don't seem to find that necessary. And I wonder why C.R.E. does?

 

Why is it so hard for people to accept the fact that people DO have positive experiences at even the "worst" companies? There is always a spin put on the positive comments to make it like, "it is impossible for someone to do good at that company". Be willing to accept the positive, because it is there. Not saying there isn't negative too. I am willing to accept the negative about companies. Are you willing to admit there can be positive experiences?

 

Good Afternoon All,

What an interesting forum. I am REAL NEW at this, in fact, I have not yey completed my CDL training. I am looking to go into the driving industry, and have just really started my research on prospective employers.

I really enjoyed the debate in connection with C.R. England, and wondered if anyone could point me toword a good starter company? There are so many companies for me to look over before I make a choice.

I'm an old Marine, so staying on course is just part of it for me. I am still looking over the site, and have found many tips on what to look for. Things that I did not think of when I started to develope questions for myself in making this decision.

Well Guy's, Thanks for all of what you have accomplished here in the forum. Hope to speak with you more. Good Luck with our economy.

 

Well, for starters, anything that ISN'T true, -- and/or misleading.

A "lot"?
No.
But I'm well aware that it's possible SOME of the information can be false. That's where reading EVERYthing comes in, then researching, and deciding which is false and which isn't -- based on what and how many times I read the same stories, and sometimes from and by own experience.

When MANY tell the SAME story, it tends to convince me that what their information IS, ..... is in fact, true.

After reading what I'm writing, do you honestly think that'd be "ok" with me?
Of course it isn't ok.
You were just testin' me, ....... right?

That's where RESEARCH comes in.
If it doesn't sound right, investigate. It's not real hard to discredit a less than sincere poster with the truth and the facts. And I encourage EVERYone to look into those allegations to determine their accuracy, ..... by all means.

Because, with her VERY limited, yet "wonderful" experience with C.R.E. -- I don't consider her knowledge to be sufficient to be passing what she, in a very limited amount of time, describes as an accurate view of "wonderful" -- along with certain information -- as accurate and/or factual, while not mentioning there might be a high probability for some pit-falls, for, it seems, many along the way -- and some before they even get started.
And they're stranded.

Sorry ---- just not enough experience IMO.

How things look through the eyes of others, for what EVER reason -- don't always seem to look the same from inside others.
Not that that's necessarily a bad thing, ---
As long as there's also a good way to get back out.

I believe EVERYone deserves to have access to the truth -- the whole truth -- so they can better trip-plan their future(s).

Nor does it necessarily validate her "positive", LIMITED experience either, or give her, or anyone else, the right to try to discredit others who are relating bad experiences with C.R.E. as just blowing off steam or unjustly complaining.

IMO, she was waayyyy too green to offer what she was passing off as entirely accurate information.
Which was proven with the rejection of a WannaBee she encouraged to go for it,and ignore all the "negative" comments.
Which turned out to be true.
But, would that be considered positive?

I disagree!
NObody has the "right" to come here offering false hope and/or information.
And the FACT that Grandma Debi influenced at least ONE poster to take the plunge with C.R.E. --- and wound up learning the HARD way that all those "negative" things he was told were, in fact, true, ........
THAT'S what I call a 'dis-service', because she didn't prove the negativity to be incorrect -- she DID, in FACT, do quite the opposite by proving the negative information to be correct.
And, to make matters worse, she stood her ground and continued to provide one-sided information, -- that COULD benefit some one who claimed not to be a recruiter, yet, in reality ------ what?
If that doesn't sound like a recruiter, I sure don't know what does.
Might even be testin' the waters for a new recruiting approach -- just under the radar.
How do we REALLY know?
We don't.

Good question!
I don't recall her ever telling us what her "motive" is, or haw many she had.
This is the internet!
HaiL!
I were a (slightly) faded purple cape,
and bright (but not hot) pink speedos.
You NEVER know who you'll meet.
Hopefully y'all WILL understand that motives are important to know.

Do you have any information or proof she WASN'T PM'ing others, or receiving compensation of some sort?

"Value"?
Maybe, maybe not.
If it's part of the bigger picture, why not take a look at it, just to know where the big mountains are?
Read it,
consider the source,
and file it accordingly.
Or just shred it.
But I don't advise totally ignoring it.
Nope!

Again, that's where research comes into the picture. Obviously C.R.E. did SOMEthing to tick them off. And I think it's important to determine if it was a legitimate complaint, or, as you say, "blowing off steam and ranting" -- which, BTW, doesn't necessarily make what they're blowing off steam or ranting about untrue. Does it?

Nor I with your's. And I appreciate that you're discussing this with me.

I agree.
But in the case of C.R.E., it seems to be rather one-sided and/or lop-sided, ...... doesn't it?
Do you write that off as folks just "blowing off steam" and/or ranting?
Or do you think maybe, just maybe, there's more truth than steam blowing and venting?

I suppose that's one way to look at it, and may be true in SOME cases, --- but certainly not ALL cases.

I think most folks are TRYING to WARN others not to make the same mistake THEY did, or know, first hand, of other's who have.
Or are now going through it.
And, again, this is where research is necessary to determine what their motives really are.
And those who assume they ARE only negating are setting themselves up for potential failure with a company (C.R.E.) that is WELL known for producing failures.
Which also, at this time, appears to be a fact often mentioned and repeated.

As I've mentioned before, I welcome ANY comments to the positive. But I'm also well aware of the reported good vs bad information ratio, and how out of balance it seems to be toward the negative. But my mind is still open.

Another point ---- I HAVE read and heard of some who have ignored the negative and gone in with a positive, only to learn the harder way that the negative was true --AFTER they signed on C.R.E.'s dotted line with a positive attitude.

I have yet to read or hear of ANYone who went with C.R.E. with a negative attitude, only to have it changed to a positive attitude.

IMO, the chances of STARING with C.R. England, -- more often than not -- leads to an early ENDING to a new career.

I find it difficult to hear when ANYone is cheated or swindled by ANY Big truck truckin' company.
It's NOT my intention OR desire to intentionally steer ANYone in the wrong direction(s).

I do a LOT of reading and talking to persons who HAVE been ruined by one particular company, C.R. England, from those who HAVE presented their evidence in a non-ranting manner.
And they pretty much spell it out from THEIR personal experience, and it MORE often ain't a pretty picture.
But it IS the truth.
Can't ignore that.
At least we shouldn't.
Ya reckon.

I'm not here telling or suggesting that you sever your relationship with the company you're driving for.
NopE!
HaiL!
If I could find a gig like you first described with your company -- I'd sure be inclined to take it -- no matter WHAT color the Big truck was.

ALL
I'm asking is -- that you be aware of where y'all are.
IF it's a "starter company" for you, I think you did quite well. But I'm thinkin' y'all just might be the exception to the rule.
And that's why I'm as interested in how y'all did it, as I am ........ so that other's considering red trucks, will be able to follow in y'all's footsteps to success.

I just wanna help as many folks succeed, rather than meet (another?) defeat.

And I REALLY appreciate your candor!!
And, IMO, these posts should be an interesting read for those researching the true color of Big trucks.

Thanx!

 

HOWDY!
And Welcome to the forums!

You're not off track, sir --- as long as you follow your compass to the proper locations, you'll arrive at your destination without firing a shot or taking a hit.

Research and knowing your objective are the key. And this is a great site to accomplish said objective.

Carry on!

 

But are those who are telling the positive side just giving the most false information?

Is that many on here, or many in relation to the number of drivers a company has driving for them. Most with the good experience don't have the time to come here and tell that because they are busy driving.

And if I recall she made it clear she was just starting out with them. She was relating information that she had heard or been taught. Where is the error in that. Someone seeing here limited experience with them should have the smarts to check out her info to see if it held water. As for mentioning potential pitfalls, the same argument holds for those who post negative info. They should make it clear that this was THEIR experience but may not be the same for all. If she was expected to point out potential negative experiences, then those who post negative should be expected to tell of the potential good experience because there are good and bad experiences with each company.

But there seems to be more discrediting of those through name calling and other actions who share good experiences with a company then there are the other way around. When I counter someone's negative information, for example, I relate from my experience or from what I know from others.


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I wish I knew the answer.
Best thing I can recommend is to know how to figure out, for yourself, what's right and not right, and who's tellin' it.

Not "always"!

I'm givin' y'all my best, straight-ball pitch here, and I pitch each one the same.
No curve-balls,
No bean-balls,
and for SURE, No yuccky
spit-balls.

BINGO!
And that right thar is what I'm trying to do!
We're here ------> X
and we wanna git THERE.
What are the odds we'll find our way?
Would those odds be affected with some inside advice from and by those who ARE satisfied?
I'm sure NOT saying they SHOULDN'T be happy. And I'm glad to hear that when they are.
My beef is with C.R.E. policy, not their drivers. I fully support their decisions as drivers. As long as we all agree on safety out there, I'm good with that.

CAN there be?!
CERTAINLY !!

And conversing with you has been one of them.

 

Is that many in relation to just those who post on here or to the total number of drivers who drive for a company?

I believe she made it clear that she was just starting out with them so she was sharing the information she had been told. Anyone reading that should have added that to their consideration of the company.

Nor does it necessarily validate her "positive", LIMITED experience either, or give her, or anyone else, the right to try to discredit others who are relating bad experiences with C.R.E. as just blowing off steam or unjustly complaining.[/quote]


I don't believe the negative are being discredited. They can share their bad experience just like she can share the positive. Unfortunately to further attempt to discredit her (or other positive posters) those with negative experiences resort to name calling (recruiter, cheerleader, etc.)

I believe she has just as much right to stand her ground for the positive as what the negative posters have to stand their ground to support their feelings. Why is it wrong for her to continue to support a company she believes to be good while it is seemingly not wrong for people to tear down a company they think is horrible?

No it does not as long as they stick to facts. But when blowing off steam false information (like Swift having more accidents then trucks) really invalidates the post. The problem with many negative posts is that the individual comes here right after "the final straw" and then just wails away and spews. If they would take time to cool down first, maybe even wait a day or two and then come on here and present the facts of THEIR situation, there would be more value and less false information. And there have been posts on here like that and those are beneficial for someone considering a company.

 

That's what I'm tryin' to figure out.
We've heard the negative side, probably due the title of this thread here, and I've compared it to the opposite opinions to come to my conclusions -- which I've been explaining.

I'm not on a witch hunt here.
Just seeking the truth.

I don't know about "most", but I sure hope you're correct. Rollin' wheels = $$$.

On the flip-side, there ARE folks here who have 20 --> 30, -- or more years experience with retired time on their hands who DO have the time to "come here" to offer wise, sage advice.

Been there, done that, and now writin' the book, ...... so to speak. And, for the price of a read, it's a pretty good deal.
If fact, would you believe it's being written as you read this?
It's twue!
It's twue!

That's my point!
Imagine that!
Now imagine this ---

You've been diagnosed to have one of two serious problems that MUST receive the proper medication, or you'll be spending the rest of your days in an east coast Mack Truck.
A specialist says take Brand-X RealityCheck Syrup for the cure.
Not real tasty, but a sure cure.

But a medical student with a few months experience has a "wonderful" cure, and encourages patients to believe in their "wonderful" inexperience to be proven.

Oh!
And one patient who went "wonderful" , had negative results.
Who are you gonna pick?
.

A poster named Billy would be a better one to ask.
He flew from NY to Utah with stars in his eyes, and a "good attitude".
And it seemed to go down-hill, real fast, from there.
But MoMMa told him to go.
I don't know how much all that cost him.
At least he had a good paying job to fall back on. MANY aren't able to say that.

Absolutely correct!
But, for those who do a quick research, and read the wrong threads, bad information could pass as good info.

And I agree that it's a person's OWN responsibility to determine which is which. I think it's also the responsibility of those who know their way around the Big truck truckin' industry, to help reduce the false and/or seriously misleading, misinformation posted here, or ANYwhere it might appear.

We/I truly DON'T want to read about ANYone's bad experiences. But, I don't believe they should be ignored.

Do what I do ---
take that for granted.

I'm ready to hear the positive, -- even if it means having to go to another thread.

Welcome the the "wonderful" world of Big truck truckin'
It is what it is, and it is what'chr seein'.
My best advice is to git used to it, shake it off, and git over it.
I doubt it'll change any time soon. And, if it does, I'm not convinced it'll be for the better.

And I'm thinkin' that's helpful. Let's just hope they hear you.
But, know there WILL be those who won't.

This site has strict rules to prevent name-calling. And they enforce it.
I doubt you'll read anyone doing that here without severe consequences.

 

Well, AfterShock, I had a real problem with the multiple quote, was doing it manual and it really messed up my post. I have enjoyed this conversation, even though in a sense I think we have hijacked this thread. Hopefully between what we both have said people will understand the great importance of researching a company and that their research needs to go way beyond how many cents per mile they will get. I don't think some realize that choosing a trucking company is not like choosing any other job. I have sometimes said that the relationship between a driver and the trucking company is like a marriage. A regular job you can walk away from at night but trucking goes beyond a job it becomes your life. That is why I try to encourage people to research fully. I have been researching for over 6 months and am preparing to go back to driving next month. And just when I thought everything was fine, I found out one other detail that now has me back to looking at two other companies besides the one I had chosen. Then I have to decide what I am going to do. Oh well, thanks for the dialogue.