C.R.England: Good or Bad?

MNdriver · Jan 19, 2013

I did it this week and I'll do it again.

I'll call in on ANY CR England truck that has a near miss or causes an accident and report it to your safety department. And that's AFTER I will tell you on the CB you're an idiot.

The ONLY accidents I have seen in a truck stop have ALL included CR England drivers. And Weds, it was #### near MY truck the idiot drove into.

All 3 of the accidents involved a rookie driver NOT taking into consideration the over-swing on the trailer and when it swung out, taking off the front of the truck, the door mirror or hood off a truck. TWO of them included having a trainer sitting in the jump seat.

beermooch67 · Jan 19, 2013

In response to MNdriver's comment That must be part of the big OBAMA plan to screw America more.

MNdriver · Jan 19, 2013

beermooch67 said: ↑

In response to MNdriver's comment That must be part of the big OBAMA plan to screw America more.
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has nothing to do with obummer.

It has to do with an incompetent trainer and a trainee from a CDL mill with zero comprehension of his truck and where it is in his environment.

WannaB_trucker · Apr 5, 2013

oceandrifter2012 said: ↑

Ok its like this. I recently attended CR England training in Cedar Hill Texas. At first everything was ok, I took the physical and passed the physical. For those of you wondering drug testing went like this, I only had to do a urine test the first day but several other people had to do a urine test the first day, a hair test the second day, and a urine test the fourth day. Also if you go to CR England make sure they change gloves after each test. They did not do so from the test infront of me to the test after me. I was given my medical card and taken to dps and got my texas cdl permit. Went to the backing range excelled at it. Monday I was called into the office handed a phone the MRO told me that i tested positive for cocaine. I was told that I had untill the next day to get out of their hotel and find my own way back home. The only problem with this is that I have been drug previous jobs for 5 years. I just submitted to a random test before i left and passed it. I also had a yearly physical done at my dr back home on friday and received the results in his office. If there were any kind of illegal drugs in my system they would have been found then. When I received the notice of the positive drug test I asked for a retest of the split sample. I was told to send them $180.00 and they would do the re-test, to be specific a re test of the same sample. I left the school and via cab to a collection facility gave a sample paid for it out of pocket. I continuted to call the MRO and CRE England and demanded they retest the sample. They still told me $180.00. The test that i paid for myself only costed $35.00 and it was to a DOT certified lab. That almost $150.00 difference. I did my home work and the Federal Motor Carrier Safety Administration states that a company cannot delay the retest of the split sample due to your inability to pay or refusal to pay. I had the money to pay I but would not pay it out of principal because they were in direct violation of federal law and they were gouging on the price. I told them they were in violation of Federal law they told me to send them the money and they would retest it. I check out of their motel bought a bus ticket from Waxahachie Texas to Wilmington NC which costed $250.00. On the way back home I called the MRO and CR england 30 times and kept getting the same response. Finally I was fed up with them because I know i do not use illegal drugs. I called Bill Morgan with the Federal Motor Carrier Administration in DC as well as US Representative Mike McIntyre. I also contacted my Dr. He did not understand it because he has been my physician for the past 7 years and he know i have never shown any signs of drug use of tested positive on any test. He reviewed all procedure that I have had and all medications I had be prescribed over the past 6 month and the only explination that he could find was that depending on the cut off levels amoxicillin which he prescribed for me after i had two teeth pulled while in Honduras may have created a false positive on the urine test. He sent documentation of this to the MRO which she simply ignored. After Speaking with Bill Morgan and Mike McIntyre's office i called back and was told that I needed to pay them the money or quit calling, she even went as far as to say borrow it if you have to. I told here that i had the money but refused to pay and that she needed to contact Mike McIntyre and Bill Morgan. Her attitude changed and she told me to call Ernine Mabius in Salt Lake City and he would authorize the re test. I did and he authorized the re test but also told me that my results would not change. I asked him about doing a hair folical test because that is more accurate. He said that he couldn't look at the results of it to see if i could stay in school even if I paid for it myself out of pocket; But he can look at the results piss test where the sample had been sitting for over a week that makes good since, being as A hair folical test goes back further that urine. Anyway I got the results from my test back which were negative. Ernie Called me and told me the results were the same. Had the actuall test result faxed to me and reviewed by my dr and his nurse. They told me that the resultes were not 100% positive that the control can back positive and the test negative on both samples. So I was still disqualified from the program and that the positive would go on my dac report and that I would probably never work in the trucking industry. Because it would stay on my dac for 5-10 years which is false according to dac drug and alcohol stay on for 3 years. But my question is how can CR England report to DAC that I failed a drug test which the results seem to me to be inconclusive and in question, not to mention when the violated my rights and only wanted to appear to be doing the legal thing when I contacted Bill Morgan and Mike McIntyre. Also How can they report the failed drug test on my DAC when I never actually worked for them. My hire date was May 31, and I was sent home on May 21st. How can they report it on my dac when i didn't get my cdl's through them and still don't have my cdl's. But this is the kicker, after looking throught all of the paperwork i received from the if you get disqualified for any reason they collect the price of tuition from the texas work force comisison as well as the federal government that comes to $5,000 total if they disqualify you. then you have to do SAP with their company that cost you $400.00 If you research their SAP company you will find out that they own it. They own it as well as the school you attend, as well as the finance company that finances tuition, and the company that leases the trucks. So needles to say that because I did not check the facts about about a ######## company that is owned by gutless cold hearted ####### ### mormons, it will be nearly impossible for me to find another CDL job. No other school will touch me because they reported that failed test to DAC and most if not all major companies will not hire me because of the dac entry. So basicaly because they are money hungry my career in trucking is over before it got started. If you went to CR England and you made it through more power to you just remember England Stand for Every New Guy Last Atleast Ninty Days. but do the math there is no way they could even attempt to hire every person that comes through the doors of their schools the would have to by over 15,000 trucks a year. I think CR England is scum ### bottom feeder company and they can kiss my ### if you have had a similar experience let the original poster know that he is making a mistake with CR England
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um... how about the response you dont even use cocaine, if you have used it chances are they were right. be responsible, dont send bad signals to people needing info because you thought it would be out your system in 3 days... just my opinion

WannaB_trucker · Apr 5, 2013

Powder Joints said: ↑

Del Taco Breakfast 3 bucks, lunch under 5 bucks, Dinner 5 bucks, and gain about 30 lbs per year. No one will want to slipseat thats for sure. Beans beans the magicial fruit, keeps a smile on you face and lot lizzards away from your truck.

Food for thought from the How to eat on the roads written by pull my finger charlie.
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Thought this thread was about CR england not unhealthy truckers did i click the wrong selection

rockstar_nj · May 2, 2013

Jaguar115 said: ↑

I would HIGHLY advise not to goto CRE (especially as you stated, your looking for a paycheck? I was with them for 6 mos, received 2 checks, training in cat program and one week my student and I ran 7500 miles. I got 1500$ he got 750$)
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I'm reading on these guys to look into just getting my experience with them and the training for the cdl, dealing with all the complaints people have, and after a couple years, get a lot better of a job... But stuff like this is a little hard to believe. Ignoring state laws of how frequently you have to get paid, why would anyone keep working for free?

This is why it's hard to get good opinions of companies on these forums. You have to get paid. If you get nothing because the company keeps everything, you still have to get a pay stub that shows what you made, and what was taken out and for what. If what you said was true, the company would have been shut down by now.

And the drug test guy... Poppy seeds WILL fail you for cocaine. Watch what you eat when you have a drug test coming up. And unless they're holding it for you when you get your drug test, it's insanely unlikely that enough of someone else's urine got mixed with yours that it would come up with enough of it in there. If you honestly didn't do cocaine, then you probably ate something.

Clintonstain · May 3, 2013

I went through CR England in Oct 2010. Two days before I left I had a crazy sinus headache - like nothing I've ever had before. Went to a doctor who said that she thought it was spinal meningitis and if they didn't do a spinal tap I'd be dead within two or three days. When doing the tap they gave me morphine.

I went to England with my medical paperwork and told them what happened. They did a piss test and did a hair follicle test the next day. Passed it, graduated and got the hell out of there after six months. So, I know for a fact they WILL do a hair follicle test.

My advice: Hire on a pre-paid legal company (the kind you pay like insurance) and fight. www.prepaidlegal.com. Disclaimer- I've never used them.

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