CA: Citation for parking on interstate on/off ramps

Discussion in 'Trucking Industry Regulations' started by dynosaur, Jan 8, 2009.

  1. Roadmedic

    Roadmedic Road Train Member

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    I have heard of this in California and in Indiana.

    The ruling is Disobeying a traffic device or sign. These are classified as moving violations and therefore the reason for points.
     
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  3. Rat

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    There is no possible way a person can always plan their trip so that they get to a truck stop at a decent hour to get a spot and not loose hours while doing it etc.

    I don't care who you are. You go down the road then hit unimaginable rush hour traffic or and back up due to an accident or other problems and your skilled planning is down the pooper.

    You can not plan traffic, weather etc. There are times when I have hit Chicago at 4 PM and rolled right through and times were I got there at 4pm and was delayed more then 4 hours crawling at 2 to 5 mph in a backup. Kind of messes with peoples skillfully laid out plans.

    Or how about making your plans so that you get to an unloading spot and it should only take an hour or so and it would still leave you time to get to a TS a few hours down the road only to have the unload take up more then an hour or two due to issues at the dock and you have to still try to make it to the TS that is a few hours away. Nope you are out of hours and the dock won't let you camp out and the nearest stop big enough for a truck is that oen that is a few hours away.

    Sorry but you make all the skillful planning you want but you are still going to get burned.


    Or how about your plans to stop at a certain rest area. You get there with a little time to spare but alot of other trucks had your same plan and got there before you and have the lot jam packed plugged? No room for you and you must carry on.
     
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  4. dynosaur

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    All that said, you are gonna love this: I took this job 8 months after graduating from truck driving school. My only experience was hauling containers. As for knowing what I was hauling; I had not a clue. The distance from the Shell settler where I loaded, to Rhone-Poulenc was just over 1 mile, so 11 mos. out of the year I guess it was a relatively safe transport. But that one month of running (I now recall, the Rhone-Poulenc plant was in Carson) was just as you describe, a hair-raising trip, by exhausted drivers with no regard for HOS, and having minimal experience (if any) in hauling a very dangerous product. What a recipe for disaster!

    Rhone-Poulenc did have a major breach and fire wherein the entire storage tower burned to the ground.

    This does bring up a good point, though. Here I was, a newbie with little experience, offered a job that was a gateway to a highly specialized and lucrative area of trucking. Knowing you are not qualified for a job such as this (I knew at the time that I was not qualified, common sense told me that); a job that your mistake is capable of impacting the lives of 1,000's of people. Do you take it? I think, knowing what I do today, that I would still have to go for it. To this day, I love hauling tankers and my qualifications for getting those jobs is primarily due to my early introduction into hauling HazMat tanker.

    Lastly, appreciate your input and wish there were more drivers with experience comparable to yours giving us some insight into the finer points of trucking. Even with 15 yrs. driving, I have a great deal to learn. What you offer, in experience, is not found in books. Thanks again. And let me say, that in this last post you described it to a T. Protection gear and all. I remember once taking my goggles of while still wearing my rubber gloves, got some bad burns from accidentally contacting my skin.:biggrin_25526:
     
  5. dynosaur

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    I've lived in California all my life and so I can say with some authority that while you do occasionally see posts "No Stopping", they are the exception and not the rule. When posted, it is usually for a reason that is quite evident. On I-10, especially out in the Mojave Desert, I don't think I've ever seen a "No Stopping" sign.
     
  6. Gorgeous George

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    LOL...WE all had that experience...more than once..and with things other than sulphuric acid. Aaaaaaaaaaah!!! The "Old" days!!

    You will notice that Rhone-Poulenc has gone the way of the "Phoo-Phoo" bird.

    Your right...the Rhone addy was Carson....but really...it was in Wilmington. Some silly thing to do with where the center line of the street fell, on which corner....stuff like that. You must have went in through the Shell main gate, instead of the back way...like we used to use. Retched retched place to visit in the late 70's and early 80's....and I just don't think they spent any money on it after I left "Hell-A". Nothing at all like the Mobil refinery in Torrance or Dow Chemical. Pretty close to how some units at Unocal was.

    As for the whole "PPE" stuff....we are where we are today, because drivers were getting stuff lost from their bodies, that simply wasn't supposed to be falling off, tattoes on their bodies...that weren't tattoes...stuff like that. Dow Chemical was an early proponent of "PPE" only because of the accidents they experienced. They actually decided it was cheaper to be safe, than to pay medical costs for the injuries that were getting caused.

    Tanks are the fun side of driving for a living. There is way more respect at Shippers and Receivers for us...than for the Box'es. Heck....even Proctor & Gamble treats tanker drivers better...just barely better..but still.
     
  7. dynosaur

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    No, Shell Oil in Martinez took the prize. Once loaded, you scaled out, but, if you were over-weight you couldn't go up the hill the way you did MT. You had to BACK the truck, fully loaded, up-hill, and often at night, around almost the entire plant, notice the around (as it was a curving dirt road). The reason being, that when you went up, you crossed a gully that was bridged by an iron plate that couldn't stand the weight of a loaded truck. Aside from that, it was the most decrepit, rusted, maze of pipes you ever wanted to see.

    And Yes! Tankers are great! You do get more respect, because unlike the big food distribution centers like Safeway, Wal-mart, etc., you are not one of hundreds of drivers they have to deal with a day, so there is no dissension. Also, no waiting for a dock, just drive in, hook up and start pumping. I love 'em! Last of all, when you're running flammable, or explosive, or corrosive placards; people tend so stay clear and leave you alone.
     
  8. steeleon1972

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    Fools drive over hours to deliver a load ontime that was delayed by the shipper.
    Fools are the super truckers that pass me by going fast because they worry about making up for delays at shipper.
    Fools that I see this winter off the road jack-knived or rolled-over.
     
  9. dynosaur

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    That's a little harsh, I think. I think that an experienced driver exceeding HOS maybe makes foolish decision, due to being overly-concerned about the repercussions suffered by the shipper, customer, or employer, coupled with a desire to 'do a good job'.

    A newbie, lacking experience or guidance, might a poor judgment call, influenced by the belief that failure to deliver on-time could jeopardize his job and with his lack of experience, plus being fired, will severely impact his ability to find employment. It's hard to refuse an employer when you're new to the industry.

    Drivers who exceed HOS do it not because they are fools; rather, they succumb to the pressures we all experience due to the nature of the trucking industry. There are ways to adhere to HOS using tact and diplomacy and THAT is the purpose of these forums: to educate and share our experiences. Dismissing violators by branding them fools just generates dissension. What's needed are suggestions, advice, and discussion.
     
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  10. Mr_Fantastic

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    For the confused, the van was doing 70+ due to the driver snoozing and there happened to be an offramp where it happened with a big truck parked there.
     
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  11. ship71021

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    I totally agree with you.
     
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