Cabbage Hill INFO ...

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  1. ‘Olhand

    ‘Olhand Cantankerous Crusty

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    Don't confuse me I am a don't call me late for SUPPER trucking--2ps LOL
     
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  3. DedHedEd

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    Thx for the link to that system, giggles. I bet it will get a drivers attention fast if they to see their company Name up on the sign! cool,,,for sure. (our taxpayer money finally doing something worthwhile) :yes2557:


    Those speed limits will keep a driver from smokin' his brakes usually, if the brake adjuster is working properly and/or the brakes are properly adjusted and provided the driver is in correct gear and using Jake Brake.

    Just put your 4-way flashers on when you are below 40mph, is MY method (common sense?, or signals from the 'tin-foil hat' I wear, tell me to use 4-ways :biggrin_255:), properly gear down, use Jake, and 'snub braking' as described in the link below, will get you down any mountain safely.

    I found this site yesterday about proper methods of mountain driving. 'Snub braking' is the preferred method supported by DOT's, per this article.

    It is about half-way down in that article where it describes the 'old-way' of braking vs. the now accepted 'snub braking'.

    http://www.crashforensics.com/mountaingradecrashes.cfm




    Learnin' something every day. Some of it helps out, some of it clutters up the memory banks...:biggrin_25512:
     
  4. otherhalftw

    otherhalftw Insignificant Otter

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    The thing I find "interesting"...as far as "snub braking"....all the books say "as soon as your brakes lock up..."...I don't know, but when the brakes "lock up" has always been the instant you are in trouble.

    Also...with the ABS, (ANTIlock Brake System)...it isn't supposed to happen!

    All the DMV test give the same "definition" and answer for "snub braking".....just doesn't make sense to me! But then again...I maintain control by not "launching" over summit...my speed is correct as I approach the down grade...not after I am into it already!:biggrin_25524:
     
  5. hotrod1653

    hotrod1653 Road Train Member

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    I kinda figure if i'm gonna die going down a hill.. I would probly do a Goofy scream, and hold up a sign a'la saying "Yipes"... :biggrin_25522:
     
  6. rachi

    rachi Road Train Member

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    I get a little nervous on the mtn passes when I can't use my jake do to icy conditions.
     
  7. trucker_101

    trucker_101 Heavy Load Member

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    There is one type of braking thats always been better than snubbing. Not using them at all. as a driver that has been all over the USA & Canada & pulling super "B's" in the mountains in B.C. I have a little bit of experience in this department. A long time ago when I first started running the rocks, I was running with another driver & we both had identical trucks & trailers and loaded about the same with super "B's" of diesel so even our weight was about the same. We were going into Trail B.C. to unload the next morning. We left the brake check at the same time, he was using the snub method, I just went a little slower in a lower gear. Using my jake & engine fan. I never had to use my brakes at all on the way down. He was using his brakes for longer & longer periods each time he used them. Then he got far enough ahead that I couldn't see him anymore. When I got to our parking place at the bottom of the hill. I asked him how long he had been there before me? He told me 5 minutes. So as he was heating his brakes all the time & I Never used mine. I think it was 5 minutes well spent!
     
  8. DedHedEd

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    hey otherhalftw, maybe if you read what the link said, you would understand. Here, I'll post it for you, below. :biggrin_25514:

    P.S. Can you get me a YouTube video of yourself going down some grades? I'd like to see that ,,,"my speed is correct as I approach the down grade...not after I am into it already"

    That would be a great video of how you NEVER brake(??) going down a hill, as your implication in your quote!:biggrin_25523: Come on, I wanna SEE THAT!! I want to see such perfection!


    In the meantime, if one DOES have to brake goin' down a mtn,,,maybe to even geardown MORE,,,then use 'snub brake', not the 'hold brakes for ever and ever and ever lightly' which was the 'old method'. Which is the point for my original post, eh.

    And 'lock the brakes'?? Who locks the brakes? Where do you get that from? :biggrin_25510:



    "Snub braking became the recommended method of downhill braking as a result of the study done by the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration (NHTSA) and University of Michigan Transportation Research Institute (UMTRI). The following is the correct recommendation published in the current CDL manual:


    Apply the brakes just hard enough to feel a definite slowdown. When your speed has been reduced to approximately five mph below your "safe" speed, release the brakes. (This brake application should last for about three seconds.) When your speed has increased to your "safe" speed, repeat steps 1 and 2.


    For example, if your "safe" speed is 40 mph, you would not apply the brakes until your speed reaches 40 mph. You now apply the brakes hard enough to gradually reduce your speed to 35 mph and then release the brakes. Repeat this as often as necessary until you have reached the end of the downgrade.
     
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  9. DedHedEd

    DedHedEd Light Load Member

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    trucker 101 ,,,gearing down and jake brake will work 95%? of the time, I'd guess.

    It won't work tho, if you are 80,000 w/paper rolls on VT. 2 (or was it VT6?) and you DON'T have a Jake Brake.:biggrin_25513:

    Snub brakin' and hoping the hill ends before you overheat 'em is the only way it works. Such as life w/Cannon Express, years ago.

    Been there, done that. No Jakes.
     
  10. stillarookie

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    Here's my take, I believe the sign operates off the transponders that normally work in oregon. There for, those people already have an idea about Cabbage, and how to navigate it. Now, if it were to only light up for the trucks without transponders that work in oregon, that would then be usefull. Otherwise it is about as big a waist of money as the heat strips on Ladd. There are still trucks that come off cabbage with a smoke signal behind them. The smoke signal can be interpretted as saying:
    "Hey everyone look at me showing off my skills":biggrin_25513:
     
  11. skibum_63

    skibum_63 Road Train Member

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    Mont Eagle, Tenn. Scares the hell out of me.
    NOT!
    But i laugh every time i take it. You call that a Mountain? Yet the 'wise' state know it all, slow you down on it going down, and going up? which for the life of me can't understand.
    I guess they have never have been out Salt lake City home of Parley's
    Twisty, 6% downgrade, 6 lanes of interstate set at 65 with two advise 50 mph curves as you into Salt Lake Valley.
    Advisery signs for weight / speed, at the top.yet they don't Mandate a lower speed, MANY TRUCKS DON'T PAY ATTENTION TO IT, AND YOU GET A WIFF of thier inattentiveness, cause they end up riding the brakes.
    Drove this hill every day for 8 years, seen some good wrecks, thankfully the drivers survived.
     
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