Can a new driver get hired Without a entry level driver training certificate?

Oh man is their a lot of misinformation in this thread. Lets start with the OP

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WTF is a FMCSA certificate? Seriously.

The states issue CDL licenses only.

Test how? What do you mean? Do they test for CDL? Do they test for hiring? Do they test for drugs? What are you driving at here?

No, these companies do not test you for placement in any schooling. If you got money or are willing to sign a contract to pay them money is the only entrance needed to get into trucking school. These companies do not directly route you to training if they have the option of selling the school; they need to make money on the school.

As far as the rest of the BS everybody is handing out here:

Certification (PTDI) means nothing! That is nothing! It is a standard setup by mega-crap training companies (ATA) to encourage drivers to partake in their profitable training school scam. These schools are probably the most irresponsible training institutions out there and the certification is just a cloak of legitimacy.

Only one state, WA, at this date has enacted the FMSCA's training guidelines as a requirement for the issuance of the CDL. And only states issue the license. Even then, there are workarounds for that; I suggest just that for any potential driver.

Can you get hired without any training: Yes. It happens all the time, even in WA.

Can you get hired without a CDL. Yes. It happens all the time, even in WA. Many companies will provide CDL training to workers willing to work their way up from other positions.

That said, many companies will not look at you without any formal training. The hitch is, these are often the worst companies to work for in the first place.

 

Not anymore.. new regulations for entry level drivers.. or those seeking. A CDL for the first time...

FMCSA establishes new minimum training standards for certain individuals applying for their commercial driver's license (CDL) for the first time; an upgrade of their CDL (e.g., a Class B CDL holder seeking a Class A CDL); or a hazardous materials (H), passenger (P), or school bus (S) endorsement for the first time. These individuals are subject to the entry-level driver training (ELDT) requirements and must complete a prescribed program of instruction provided by an entity that is listed on FMCSA's Training Provider Registry (TPR). FMCSA will submit training certification information to State driver licensing agencies (SDLAs), who may only administer CDL skills tests to applicants for the Class A and B CDL, and/or the P or S endorsements, or knowledge test for the H endorsement, after verifying the certification information is present in the driver's record.

This final rule is effective February 6, 2017. The compliance date for this rule is February 7, 2020. Comments sent to the Office of Management and Budget (OMB) on the collection of information must be received by OMB on or before January 9, 2017.

 

First time? Ok... what about oldies who have 40 years gone? and want back in after some minor medical miracle?

 

Toomanybikes...

There are new rules.. The FMCSA rolling out the new ELDT regulations.... it is a 3 phase roll out which started in Feb 2017 and complete complience for all carriers that provide CDL classes and training by Feb 2020.

It primarily effects those getting a CDL for the first time.. but also extra hoops for. Those upgrading.. from a B to and A and such...

 

^^ I appreciate that info and I understand. But the point is those federal requirements have to be enacted by the individual states that issue the CDL license. Except for WA, I know of no other state that has done that.

These requirements and guidelines have been out their before and like I said only WA took them on by adopting the rules. And, they only did it because they had a snafu with licensing non-english speaking immigrants and illegals.

There was also previous deadlines to make training requirements for states. (1998, 2000, 2005, 2007) and they all got pushed asunder. So I would not put money on it happening now.

Have other states enacted these FMSCA guidelines by this point? I know of no others. If somebody has additional information it would be appreciated. But it is on a state by state basis to accept, ratify, and legislate these requirements for the CDL.

Since many other MAP21 provisions have long since been in affect, you have to wonder what is taking all these states so long in ratifying the training requirements?

 

There is a final action as of 2020, you will have a enhanced license at that time. If you do not have it, then you WILL BE DENIED domestic flight boarding and federal building and federal installation access. (Example VA) I just got a final notice in the mail telling me I have until 2020 to upgrade with additional background submissions of paper work to prove myself to get upgraded.

 

Well.. here is what I know, Application Screening Software companies are already offering the upgrades for their software programs... meaning that after the recruiter or Staffing agent upgrades their software... with a few clicks on their computer they can weed out applications where the applicant did not list that they graduated from an FMCSA approved school...

Also, some companies are already listing it on their requirements.. meaning they are only interested in applicants that have been through an FMCSA approved CDL class and training..

Computers have changed the game.. often applications are weeded out by the parameters set and never get looked at..... the days of looking over each application or resume by human eyes are gone.. the computer does the first few rounds of weeding so that only applications that meet requirements sought are what are looked at for further scrutinizing and verification.

So yes, the ELDT is just starting to. Roll out.. with complete compliance by 2020... but here is the thing, that doesn't mean a company can not require that schooling now... the roll out over a 3. Year period iis for the carriers to have time to get compliant.. make sure their school and instructors meet the requirements and such.. it is not to give new drivers a chance to get their CDL training from. Uncle Bob...

 

It means now is the best time to get your training from Uncle Bob.

If Uncle Bob was a half-blind alcoholic, chances are he could do a better job of training then most training company's that over charge thousands to out of work, truck driving hope-fulls.

As far as jobs that require schooling, that is nothing new. Most of the mega-crap companies required that long ago. But there is no good reason to work for a mega in these economic times.

In the real world, outside of computer applications and mega-crap companies, no one give a crap about a FMSCA approved school. With a few years driving under your belt, no one will even ask.

So I say, if you live outside WA, save some money and skip the schooling if at all possible, while you still can. If you live in WA, I say the same thing, only you have to be more resourceful about it.

Getting company, teamsters, or your Uncle Bob sponsored training, is the best way to enter this industry without signing your life away or forking out cash. Best to do it while you still can.

 

Okay.. first.. this regulation is only about those individuals who do not have a CDL and want to enter truck driving.. which is why they called is Entry Level Driver Training...

I am unaware of how an individual gets a couple years driving under their belt without having a CDL..

So, just to be clear.... the ELDT applies only to individuals who do not currently have a CDL and are wanting get a CDL... all it is. Is new regulations establishing minimum training standards... it is so that the CDL mills must provide at least a certain amount of education and training by certified trainers.. the CDL classes must meet a certain curriculum and have qualified instructors in order to be able to provide the certificates that a new driver will need to get their CDL...

This regulation has just started rolling out, and will be rolled out in 3 phases over three years..

So right now, it is the CDL schools and carriers that are busy dealing with it..

But, yes, in the near future it will impact individuals who are just getting their CDL fr the first time.. because they will not be able to get a. CDL for the first time with out the certification..

I guess it is possible that there will be companies that will not require you have the certification and don't actually have a CDL.. but honestly, I cant imagine they would be a good company...

Now, there are companies that even before the ELDT regulation did require that candidate have completed a certified school and 3 months experience..... or more experience without a school.. so nothing new there..

As a general rule.. better companies want better drivers...

 

I think I will have a fantastic time running with this Uncle Bob one more time.

Sorry I just had to say it. You tend to forget many things over the years, the devil dances in the details I say.