Can I be on line 4 past my 14th hour?

Let me take a shot again, I told you I was very tired when I typed the last post

Line 2 means your body is in the sleeper. This to DOT means you was getting rest. Does it mean you are sleeping, NO! I would not say officer I really was not sleeping during that time, cause they might write you up for being fatigue. But line 2 means your body is in the sleeper. YOu can be in the sleeper anytime during the day for as little time as you would like. Some drivers think they can only go in the sleeper for a minimum of 2 hours. This is not true. All time will be counting against your 14 however .

Maybe this will also clairfy other questions as well or help confuse someone

 

Thanks for clarifying about the 8 hour break not counting (my preference to explain it is to say it extends the 14 hour).
I was typing that and got interrupted at the end. That's why the "however " is there but nothing to go with it except the smiley Silly me

 

Here is what I will tell you that makes the best sense!

If you are @ a shipper/consignee we know it is going to take some time to deal with it. You need to log line 4 time when you are dealing with it. Dealing with it means opening the doors, going inside or whatever. Now the loader says it will be 1 hour to load you, ask them do you mind if I go into the sleeper and lay down and they say yes, go to the sleeper (most won't mind, some do I know). This way you are saving on your 70 hour. It will still be counting against your 14 hour, but you may be able to set yourself up for a split break if there 2 hours or more (remember though only an 8 hour break extends the 14 or as some say it, stops the clock).

Now if you have to assist in the loading in any way it must be on line 4 the whole time.

Logging off duty @ a shipper/consignee is really frowned upon. Was relieved of all responsibility from that load? I doubt any customer would do that and or your dispatcher. Now if there is a restraunt next door or inside and no one has a problem with you taking your meal break then log it off duty and be ready to explain if DOT ask. You must have permission from your company stating you can be relieved of all responsibilty from all equipment to log off duty while under a load. Most companies put this on the back of one of your road test/medical cards or possibly log book. Many drivers are not aware about the meal card/shower personal use while under a load.

If this doesn't answer your ? please let me know.
I did have a driver written up for not logging line 4 time for loading/unloading and going off duty at the customer as well. I don't see it often but that officer was on the ball as I preach this very same thing in my classes

 

What I would do is log line 4 time for @ least 15-minutes (really should be how long you dealt with it) and while they are loading/unloading you go to the sleeper. REad a book, play video games, check in with us! REmember the time will be counting against your 14 hour regardless (unless you get an 8 hour sleeper break) then you can ask me what to do if you don't already know. Good luck!

 

Nope she can not log this as off duty! She must log this on line 4 sitting in the front passenger seat.
She is responsible for that load @ all times untill either the load is delivered or the company relieves you from duty!

Now what do most teams do? I will let someone who is willing to cough that one up. Just don't get busted by the "bears"