Can this industry ever evolve to not needing brokers anymore? Think about it

Discussion in 'Ask An Owner Operator' started by Kenworth6969, May 9, 2021.

  1. Long FLD

    Long FLD Road Train Member

    Mar 4, 2015
    Funny how when the FMCSA talks about more regulations for truckers everyone says they need to stay out of our business, yet now there needs to be “laws” to protect truckers from making poor business decisions. Lol

    If @PureLeafTea is a business owner then I would think the last thing they’d want is the government regulating profits for anyone’s business. Truckers want to regulate a broker’s profit, well what happens when shippers get together and decide there needs to be a “law” regulating a trucking company’s profit? Maybe it’s more of the “everyone should get a trophy” mentality.
    Last edited: May 9, 2021
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  3. Ruthless

    Ruthless Road Train Member

    Aug 28, 2010
    The City.
    If you need a law for your business to make money: you don’t have a good business.

    If you can’t keep track of hours, customers, AP, AR, rates, equipment location/service needs, drivers wants and needs, payroll, sales, favors, traffic and regulations: do yourself and every other motor carrier a favor and lease on to a carrier.
  4. Brettj3876

    Brettj3876 Road Train Member

    Nov 18, 2014
    Canceling cancel culture/CCC
    Simple. Don't use brokers then. Go find some direct freight then. Brokers serve a purpose.
  5. Kenworth6969

    Kenworth6969 Medium Load Member

    Jul 3, 2020
    Its not just the the money, brokers lie most often about loads.

    From coming to an agreement then never sending a rate con because they don't actually have the load.
    To saying to have an 8am appointment but when you get finding out you are a work in.
    Or even better saying they need this load asap and will unload you right when you get there, then you get there and find out its a missed appointment load and are a work in losing a day.
    Saying we will put u in for detention and will get paid but once load is done thats when the excuses for not paying starts.
    One time booked a tractor for stepdeck, was told real easy load you just drive it on when u get there, nope got there and it was a broken tractor they had to schedule a crane to load onto my trailer.

    The unethical BS from brokers is extreme, they make politicians look honest.
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  6. Kenworth6969

    Kenworth6969 Medium Load Member

    Jul 3, 2020
    Yeah pretty much lol
  7. Ridgeline

    Ridgeline Road Train Member

    Dec 18, 2011
    yeah here is how it would work if you don’t have those little hands in the pot, the consignee who pays for the load will see a possible reduction in their costs when you eliminate the layers, and they will be willing to pay less to move freight to the point that they expect now to pay that $1350.
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  8. xsetra

    xsetra Road Train Member

    Aug 21, 2011
    The transparency the OP is asking for, will not, change any of your concerns.
    Does stuff happen? Yep, every day. Some of your details may have been wrong information given by shipper or receiver. It could also be Broker trying to cover a load.
    Too many variables to determine in a single post. When I get a rate confirmation I call the shipper and receiver to verify information. If the information doesn't match the RC, I call broker to find out what and why. Then decide if I will not take the load or have new RC sent over with accurate information.
    Good luck
  9. Mattflat362

    Mattflat362 Road Train Member

    Feb 18, 2015
    Avon Lake, Ohio
    I have said it before and I'll say it again...I love my good brokers! They allow me the diversity I crave and save me the mundane stuff I would encounter if I were to seek out my own customers! I don't like seeing the same freight as close to ever as possible!
  10. m16ty

    m16ty Road Train Member

    Jan 22, 2016
    I see both sides of it. While we have our own trucks, trucking isn’t our core business, and we end up having hauled as many loads as we haul. So I have experienced as a trucking company and as a shipper.

    I have basically 3 trucking companies I work with, one for heavy haul/oversize, one for conestoga loads, and one for standard flat, van, and step loads. I try to avoid brokers at all cost, but sometimes any of these small outfits can’t get to the load or don’t have a truck in the area, and I have to use a broker. The broker I use is the best I’ve ever dealt with, but still not good. Some of the time our brokered loads end up on the load boards. Those are the worst of all, getting mostly non English speaking drivers, not dressed properly for the job sites we work on, and with junk equipment or not the proper equipment. I hate brokers, but sometimes you just have to deal with them, because I don’t have the time to call 50 trucking companies to find somebody with availability in the area. I’d much rather use small local companies, but sometimes they just can’t handle it.
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  11. m16ty

    m16ty Road Train Member

    Jan 22, 2016
    I never really understood the concept of worried about what somebody else is making. If you take the load, you should be getting the money you need to turn a profit. It really doesn’t matter if the broker is making $5 or $5,000 on a load, as long as you get what you want. If you are not able to get what you want, then maybe you should change professions.

    Getting rid of brokers isn’t going to give the truck driver more money. There will still be the same drivers out there, running for the same low rate, adjusting the market accordingly. Only people that would probably see any savings is the shipper.

    I have never asked a shipper or a broker what they were paying for any given load. I tell them what I’ll haul it for. On this flip side, as a shipper, I never tell a broker or a trucking company what I’ll pay to get the load hauled, I ask them to price it. The trucking companies need to be setting their own prices, not just be taking what a shipper or broker is offering.
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