Can you cheat an eLog?

Aslong as I'm between the ditches brother.


Not saying I agree with everyone but aslong as they're driving safely I could care less what someones doing with their log books.

 

They still have to REGULATE under the prevue of the USC, have you not heard of the supreme court and other federal courts?

 

Well maybe you can handle it, but that kind of nonsense is what got us into HOS, revised HOS, proposed revised HOS, EOBRs for bad boys, and EOBRs for everybody.

Enough "supertruckers" have caused tragic accidents that have killed a lot of people that the public now demands not just responsible commercial drivers (you know, the ones that can run a log book and comply with the HOS regs,) but an electronic nanny to enforce compliance. Maybe if there wasn't this perception of outlaw truckers - which tarnishes all of us - who run for 20 hours straight...

This is no longer the days of wide-open roads with low traffic densities. It's roads filled to capacity with amateur four-wheelers with no concept of how to safely operate their cars around large commercial vehicles.

 

I understand Iron, but my whole thing is, If I had an E-log there would be lots of times I'm sleeping in my truck within 45 minutes of home, It would turn my local home most nights (the wife is happy) job into a only home weekends kind of job...

I don't run very many miles, but I do sit at mill's alot, I sleep for hours while waiting, in no way am I driving fatigued.

I'm very against E-logs in everyones trucks, the thought of it makes me cringe.

 

When you don't have the option of ripping out the page and casting the story to fit the facts, you are forced to seriously plan how things are going to work out. That's all it takes.

45 minutes from momma? Heck, mine would come pick me up.

 

If they want to blame someone blame the cars!
By far cars cause more damage and fatlities the FMSCA even states this.
Let them go through scales and the bogus inspections and logbooks and elogs. Percentage wise CMV's cause less than cars do. So why should we be penalized unfairly? Climb upon your lahood soap box and explain this.
the onlyu reason is we are a smaller segement of road users and easier to invent a boogie man and the least is always the best. We should have a law to protect us like the other minorities we are being discriminated agaianst and bullied! Piss on lahood and the FMSCA.

http://www.fmcsa.dot.gov/facts-research/facts-figures/analysis-statistics/cmvfacts.htm

http://www-fars.nhtsa.dot.gov/Main/index.aspx


Commercial Motor Vehicle Facts


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Federal Motor Carrier Safety Administration November 2007

2006 Police-Reported Motor Vehicle Traffic CrashesCrash Type

Large Trucks
All Vehicles ​

Fatal

4,321
38,588 ​

Injury

77,000
1,746,000 ​

Property Damage Only

287,000
4,189,000 ​

Total

368,000
5,974,000​

Source: National Highway Traffic Safety Administration (NHTSA), Fatality Analysis Reporting System (FARS) and General Estimates System (GES).
Note: A large truck is defined as a truck with gross vehicle weight rating (GVWR) greater than 10,000 pounds.

2006 Traffic Crash Victims

In Large Truck Crashes
In All Vehicle Crashes ​

Killed

4,995
42,642 ​

Injured

106,000
2,575,000​

Source: NHTSA, Fatality Analysis Reporting System (FARS) and General Estimates System (GES).

2005 Fatality and Injury Rates

Large Trucks
All Vehicles ​

Vehicle Miles Traveled

222,836,000,000
2,989,807,000,000 ​

Fatality Rate per 100 Million Vehicle Miles Traveled

2.4
1.5 ​

Injury Rate per 100 Million Vehicle Miles Traveled

51.1
90.3 ​

Sources: Federal Highway Administration (FHWA), Highway Statistics 2005, Table VM-1; and NHTSA,
Fatality Analysis Reporting System (FARS) and General Estimates System (GES).

2001-2003 Average Costs of Truck Crashes (2005 Dollars)Average Cost per Crash
$91,112

Source: Ted Miller, Eduard Zaloshnja, Rebecca Spicer, Revised Cost of Large Truck and Bus Involved Crashes (2006), adjusted to 2005 dollars.

Registered Vehicles and Companies2005 All Vehicles

247,421,120​

2005 Large Trucks

8,481,999​

2005 Buses

807,053​

2006 Active Interstate Truck and Bus Companies

692,997​

2006 Active Hazardous Material Companies

72,891​

2006 Active Passenger Carrier Companies

5,211​

Sources: FHWA, Highway Statistics 2005, Table VM-1; and Federal Motor Carrier Safety Administration (FMCSA), Motor Carrier Management Information System (MCMIS).
Note: Registered vehicles are those that have been registered through a State motor vehicle department.

FY 2006 Roadside Inspections and Out-Of-Service (OOS) Rates for Commercial Vehicles

Large Trucks
Commercial Buses ​

Driver Inspections

3,093,996
52,959 ​

Driver OOS Rate

7.0%
4.0% ​

Vehicle Inspections

2,273,467
105,257​

Vehicle OOS Rate

23.7%
9.0% ​

Source: FMCSA, Motor Carrier Management Information System (MCMIS).

Household Goods Complaints Received, 2001-2005

2003
2004
2005
2006
Jan.-Nov. 13, 2007​

Complaints

2,850
3,606
3,581
3,161
2,656​

Source: FMCSA, Safety Violation and Consumer Household Goods Complaint Hotline.
Note: Complaints are related to interstate, for-hire transportation, individual-paid household moves only.


Commercial Motor Vehicle Facts


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• Data, Analysis and Statistics

Federal Motor Carrier Safety Administration November 2007

2006 Police-Reported Motor Vehicle Traffic CrashesCrash Type

Large Trucks
All Vehicles ​

Fatal

4,321
38,588 ​

Injury

77,000
1,746,000 ​

Property Damage Only

287,000
4,189,000 ​

Total

368,000
5,974,000​

Source: National Highway Traffic Safety Administration (NHTSA), Fatality Analysis Reporting System (FARS) and General Estimates System (GES).
Note: A large truck is defined as a truck with gross vehicle weight rating (GVWR) greater than 10,000 pounds.

2006 Traffic Crash Victims

In Large Truck Crashes
In All Vehicle Crashes ​

Killed

4,995
42,642 ​

Injured

106,000
2,575,000​

Source: NHTSA, Fatality Analysis Reporting System (FARS) and General Estimates System (GES).

2005 Fatality and Injury Rates

Large Trucks
All Vehicles ​

Vehicle Miles Traveled

222,836,000,000
2,989,807,000,000 ​

Fatality Rate per 100 Million Vehicle Miles Traveled

2.4
1.5 ​

Injury Rate per 100 Million Vehicle Miles Traveled

51.1
90.3 ​

Sources: Federal Highway Administration (FHWA), Highway Statistics 2005, Table VM-1; and NHTSA,
Fatality Analysis Reporting System (FARS) and General Estimates System (GES).

2001-2003 Average Costs of Truck Crashes (2005 Dollars)Average Cost per Crash
$91,112

Source: Ted Miller, Eduard Zaloshnja, Rebecca Spicer, Revised Cost of Large Truck and Bus Involved Crashes (2006), adjusted to 2005 dollars.

Registered Vehicles and Companies2005 All Vehicles

247,421,120​

2005 Large Trucks

8,481,999​

2005 Buses

807,053​

2006 Active Interstate Truck and Bus Companies

692,997​

2006 Active Hazardous Material Companies

72,891​

2006 Active Passenger Carrier Companies

5,211​

Sources: FHWA, Highway Statistics 2005, Table VM-1; and Federal Motor Carrier Safety Administration (FMCSA), Motor Carrier Management Information System (MCMIS).
Note: Registered vehicles are those that have been registered through a State motor vehicle department.

FY 2006 Roadside Inspections and Out-Of-Service (OOS) Rates for Commercial Vehicles

Large Trucks
Commercial Buses ​

Driver Inspections

3,093,996
52,959 ​

Driver OOS Rate

7.0%
4.0% ​

Vehicle Inspections

2,273,467
105,257​

Vehicle OOS Rate

23.7%
9.0% ​

Source: FMCSA, Motor Carrier Management Information System (MCMIS).

Household Goods Complaints Received, 2001-2005

2003
2004
2005
2006
Jan.-Nov. 13, 2007​

Complaints

2,850
3,606
3,581
3,161
2,656​

Source: FMCSA, Safety Violation and Consumer Household Goods Complaint Hotline.
Note: Complaints are related to interstate, for-hire transportation, individual-paid household moves only.


Commercial Motor Vehicle Facts


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• Data, Analysis and Statistics

Federal Motor Carrier Safety Administration November 2007

2006 Police-Reported Motor Vehicle Traffic CrashesCrash Type

Large Trucks
All Vehicles ​

Fatal

4,321
38,588 ​

Injury

77,000
1,746,000 ​

Property Damage Only

287,000
4,189,000 ​

Total

368,000
5,974,000​

Source: National Highway Traffic Safety Administration (NHTSA), Fatality Analysis Reporting System (FARS) and General Estimates System (GES).
Note: A large truck is defined as a truck with gross vehicle weight rating (GVWR) greater than 10,000 pounds.

2006 Traffic Crash Victims

In Large Truck Crashes
In All Vehicle Crashes ​

Killed

4,995
42,642 ​

Injured

106,000
2,575,000​

Source: NHTSA, Fatality Analysis Reporting System (FARS) and General Estimates System (GES).

2005 Fatality and Injury Rates

Large Trucks
All Vehicles ​

Vehicle Miles Traveled

222,836,000,000
2,989,807,000,000 ​

Fatality Rate per 100 Million Vehicle Miles Traveled

2.4
1.5 ​

Injury Rate per 100 Million Vehicle Miles Traveled

51.1
90.3 ​

Sources: Federal Highway Administration (FHWA), Highway Statistics 2005, Table VM-1; and NHTSA,
Fatality Analysis Reporting System (FARS) and General Estimates System (GES).

2001-2003 Average Costs of Truck Crashes (2005 Dollars)Average Cost per Crash
$91,112

Source: Ted Miller, Eduard Zaloshnja, Rebecca Spicer, Revised Cost of Large Truck and Bus Involved Crashes (2006), adjusted to 2005 dollars.

Registered Vehicles and Companies2005 All Vehicles

247,421,120​

2005 Large Trucks

8,481,999​

2005 Buses

807,053​

2006 Active Interstate Truck and Bus Companies

692,997​

2006 Active Hazardous Material Companies

72,891​

2006 Active Passenger Carrier Companies

5,211​

Sources: FHWA, Highway Statistics 2005, Table VM-1; and Federal Motor Carrier Safety Administration (FMCSA), Motor Carrier Management Information System (MCMIS).
Note: Registered vehicles are those that have been registered through a State motor vehicle department.

FY 2006 Roadside Inspections and Out-Of-Service (OOS) Rates for Commercial Vehicles

Large Trucks
Commercial Buses ​

Driver Inspections

3,093,996
52,959 ​

Driver OOS Rate

7.0%
4.0% ​

Vehicle Inspections

2,273,467
105,257​

Vehicle OOS Rate

23.7%
9.0% ​

Source: FMCSA, Motor Carrier Management Information System (MCMIS).

Household Goods Complaints Received, 2001-2005

2003
2004
2005
2006
Jan.-Nov. 13, 2007​

Complaints

2,850
3,606
3,581
3,161
2,656​

Source: FMCSA, Safety Violation and Consumer Household Goods Complaint Hotline.
Note: Complaints are related to interstate, for-hire transportation, individual-paid household moves only.

 

My LaHood soapbox? Hey - I don't like the guy either... he's a major jerk.

My point... we only have ourselves to blame for this. Enough commercial drivers have acted irresponsibly, that the rest of the public (minus those of us involved in commercial trucking) have ganged up on us via our representatives. Why do they pick on us? Because they can.

 

You miss the point entirely how is it irresponsible when the numbers are in our favor? The cars are more irresponsible than commercial vehicles as a whole if you look at it percentage wise. I've always said a strike would be good about the time things started running low they'd see who really has the power here. How many of these cecksuckers in the senate and house or for that matter in the general US populous could do what we do?

So try and blame someone? Blame those who have NO BALLS and will follow like a sheeple. There will those who think it won't be enough tilll we are wearing tracking collars like a dog.

 

When someone amoung us runs down the road for 20 hours with a fraudulent logbook, becomes too tired to see straight and then slaughters a family - we are all tarnished by his irresponsibility. We are the professionals, and as such must act in manner that reflects that.

You can rail about how irresponsible 4-wheelers are, how much more caranage is caused by their actions or what have you, but the fact remains that under our constitution there is precious little that can be done to regulate their behavior. There is only one way to deal with it - manage the risk inherent in our operations and operate our equipment within the restrictions of the regulations - whether we like it or not.

 

But when a trucker who is legal and goes down the road properly and a tired 4 wheeler or drunk 4 wheeler is killed because of their own ignorance, the trucker is still found to be the problem.