Can you cheat an eLog?

Discussion in 'Trucking Industry Regulations' started by Meltom, Jun 15, 2011.

  1. capljinac

    capljinac Bobtail Member

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    Sick and tired of your bull %:$&
     
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    I have a Qualcomm/Omnitracs unit that I've personally hacked. I don't know if I should go into detail about it's capabilities publicly though. Also, it's for sale.
     
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    It's just a matter of time before someone figured it out. "ghosting" an ECM and GPS can't be THAT hard.

    Making it all look seamless in the end might be a little more difficult than on paper, but some enterprising soul or two is going to figure it out.

    Might be better to not get caught, however.....
     
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    They certainly could it is a program running o. A Windows based OS anyways. (Qualcomm)
    Then you hack/change if you have the access the ECM and odometer to match... I could see it being quite difficult for DOT to detect or prove it without thorough investigation by a pogrammer
     
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    It's easy to cheat the Werner system.
    Werner drivers can legally drive 14 hours a day as long as they pull over to the side of the road every 30 minutes and switch off duty at 7 minutes and 20 seconds after the hour and sit for 30 seconds and then at 7 minutes and 40 seconds after the hour switch back to driving and then at 37 minutes and 20 seconds after the hour pull over to the side of the road and punch off duty and then at 37 minutes and 40 seconds after the hour punch back in as driving you can keep doing this all day long until your 14-hour clock runs out and legally run 14 hours a day with Werner's system but every company has a different system.
    Not every company has a system that rounds to the nearest 15 minute increments.
     
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    BUMBACLADWAR Road Train Member

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    I typically dont cheat an elog,but yeah...there is Many ways.Depending on system.Getting trailer hooked up teady to roll Before logging in,maually hitting on duty in traffic,being in an area where GPS signals dont exist.Carrying two elogs(which elog do you wanna see?)
     
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    It's essentially a Windows OS with the Omnitracs software loading on startup. Once you gain direct access to the OS you can alter whatever you like. And if you know a little programming you can run your own software on it, as I've done.
     
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    really?

    some of these systems us a transaction database engine, so all changes are logged.
     
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    Ours (Omnitracs) sends log status updates every few minutes or so and on-demand. Seems to be a lot of "trucker bs" circulating in this thread. There's ways to cheat in little ways here and there but nothing significant that I'm aware of.
     
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    I too smell BS. BS stacked to here above my own head.

    Qualcomm is a real time data ternimal reading a few hundred sensors on that tractor as it was on mine. It is literally streaming data to three seperate reciepients, shop, dispatch and safety all at once. There is a code it throws when a customer begins to track me in real time otherwise it is what it is.

    Now keep in mind my knowledge of Qualcomm is limited to 2001 and eariler. It's probably obselete now.

    If there is any way a windows OS on a device and it has a port or wireless pathway for YOU to gain access to it past the Authentication then YOU will make changes? Don't be surprised if that information is also flowing to those designated to keep informed.

    In a proper windows environment whatever it might be, all system level changes are kept in a logged form somewhere. It is possible to get into and erase those files, but just the action of doing so is itself a indicator of a intruder anyhow.

    Those of you talking about "Hacking" or physically stopping and starting the truck to force the system to start over etc... take a look at your fuel mileage compared to someone who did 10 to 11 hours over 600 miles without maybe more than a stop. That mileage will not look as normal compared to the fleet.

    Even if you were braking hard enough to cause your stuff to slide out of place (Something in the order of 7 or more mph lost each second...) it's going to call home ET right then and there. Ive had trucks that I knocked down from 70 to less than 30 in about 6 seconds to 10 at most and BEEP.... hello?

    You cannot win Mr Blackhat driver. Give it up. There was a time I was like black hatted myself, but Ive gone the other way. But I do have my own limits I keep.. such as no driver facing camera. You wont have me on that without a equal pretty dispatcher facing camera too. eh?