Can't catch a break!!!!

Discussion in 'Questions From New Drivers' started by UltimateTrucker, Oct 21, 2011.

  1. BIGDADDYBEAR

    BIGDADDYBEAR Bobtail Member

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    Wow, it's getting crazier by the day!
     
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    I went to a fairly reputable trucking school and was hired on pretty quickly. I did however come across a few companies that would not hire me because I did not work for any one company for the past year. The fact that I was in the union building trades for 17 years with different companies didn't matter. I guess they can afford to be picky.
     
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    Ok I am going to make a few comments.....

    1.) your picking really crappy companies to work for. First and formost that is your main problem. Use this forum for what it's intended purpose is for......information.

    2.) a lot of companies need that experience cause of the insurance companies, not them. Think about the amount of drivers and the value of freight, then the danger of these trucks getting into an accident. Some serious cash and lives are at risk here so they have requirements and you have to meet them. Think about it from their point of view. Your running a company would you hire someone outside of your set requirements just cause they need a job and it's not fair that they don't meet your requirements?

    3.) companies can not hire you for what ever reason they want as long as it's not based on race, sex, religion, ethnicity, you get the point.

    4.) your education has no bearing on a job unless it is a requirement for said job. I have a bachelors in Criminal Justice but it held no weight with this job. Also previous work experiences have no merit for a job unless they pertain to said job. So working somewhere for XX years doesn't matter.

    5.) most of the people in this country are so quick to sue sue sue. Unless your were denied a job based on the criteria I listed earlier you have no grounds for a case. Sueing cause they didn't hire you? Come on really? I can't think of better things to tie up the already clogged up court system.

    6.) companies can ask for taxes, run credit checks, background checks, etc. They can do what they need to do with-in the confines of the law to ensure you are what they want for THEIR company. Yes they are being picky not cause they want to but cause they have to.

    If you don't like what is going on with a company your trying to get hired on to then move on. This forum has LOADS of information at your desposal. For starters at the very top of the home page "your favorite companies and your worst". I mean that is where you should start your search.
     
  4. Pedigreed Bulldog

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    Too many people these days are choosing to remain on unemployment, turning down job offers because their unemployment benefits have not yet run out and they feel they are better off getting money for nothing rather than putting forth time and effort to earn their income.

    Then their benefits run out and they NEED to find a job, but nobody will hire them now because after being unemployed for 99 weeks (or whatever the benefits are up to these days) it shows a lack of initiative and a willingness to take the easy money rather than actually working for it.

    Keep in mind, unemployment insurance is one of those things that every employer HAS to pay for every employee. Every time the government increases the length of time unemployment benefits are available to out of work people, it costs the states money...and the states recover that money by increasing the premiums employers are forced to pay for the unemployment insurance. In other words, a person who voluntarily sits on unemployment for excessive durations is precisely the reason employers have to pay extra premiums...and those premiums come from somewhere...and crap flows downhill. Every job is worth a certain amount to have done. Your wages + benefits + state mandates will never exceed that amount, because if they do, the job disappears because it is no longer economically viable....it isn't making the employer a profit. So, as state mandates increase, wages or benefits are going to be cut. If the wage happens to be one of the state mandates, benefits start to be eliminated. When the state mandates high wages AND high benefits, the job gets cut.

    Minimum wage has skyrocketed in the last few years...mandating unskilled, inexperienced workers be paid a "living" wage. Then they wonder why the youth unemployment rate is so high. The jobs those high school & college kids had been doing to gain work experience aren't worth what the states are mandating employers pay the unskilled, inexperienced workers to do the jobs...so they are eliminated or given to people with more work experience.

    Now comes the health care mandate, where employers are supposed to either provide insurance benefits or pay a fine. Insurance can be expensive. So, wages stagnate and even more jobs are cut...because the costs have risen above what the jobs are worth.

    Then, because so many are out of work and collecting unemployment benefits for so long, the cost for that insurance goes up and even more jobs are cut.


    So yeah, employers are going to be picky as hell, because in this industry, it costs money to hire and train someone....so you're already in the hole financially with them before they ever start working to make you any money. Then, once they ARE working, a new employee...especially one that is new to the industry...is still a liability as they make their way through the learning curve associated with operating a new piece of machinery. So, employers HAVE to be picky, because if they aren't they'll be out of business. Now bring in the CSA2010 regulations, and carriers are being even MORE picky, even with experienced drivers, because drivers with high scores will cost a carrier money if the DOT starts looking closer at them to single out for roadside enforcement or it triggers a safety audit, it costs them money. OF COURSE they are going to be picky.

    Sue all you want to, but the carrier will win that suit. A business is in business to make money...and hiring just anyone off the street isn't going to be profitable. If high quality candidates exist, they have every legal justification in the world to pass over the lesser quality candidates. As long as age, gender, race, religion, or other "protected class" isn't used as the basis for the hire/not hire decision, you have no recourse against the employer for not hiring you.

    Construction trades are a different animal altogether. You go where the work is, sometimes working for 6-8 different contractors in a year's time, because 1 contractor may not have enough work to keep you busy throughout the year. The job only lasts until it is completed, and if the contractor doesn't have the winning bid on the next job, you've got to go to the contractor who has work for you. For employers who don't know any better, that looks bad....but given the industry, it is not abnormal by any means.
     
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  5. rogueunh

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    Bingo!

    I know too many people, who will look at a job, but then realize they are making close to that sitting at home doing nothing. So why take a job only making a little more money than sitting at home pays them???

    That's when I lose some respect for them.
     
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  7. Pedigreed Bulldog

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    Take the job. Most of the time, employers aren't going to hire a person at top wage....they start them off lower, and once the employee proves themselves to be worth more, they get a raise. It is far easier to raise a person's salary who is worth the extra money than it is to cut a person's salary who proves themselves to be unworthy of the higher wage.

    Now your friend is working for a temp agency, so the company he is working at is paying the temp agency far more than what the temp agency is paying him....the temp agency is getting their cut. If he does a good job for them, and the job might lead to a permanent one, where he will likely get paid a wage & benefits package comparable to the money which had been paid to the temp agency.

    In other words, it isn't just about the right here and now. You have to look down the road a bit to figure out what advancement opportunities you might have within that new company....what new job skills you might acquire which would make you even more valuable to any future employers. You aren't acquiring ANY new job skills sitting around collecting unemployment. The longer you sit unemployed, the less likely you are to have any certifications up to date, and the less likely that you have received training on the latest updates if your field of work is constantly changing.

    Any way you look at it, sitting around collecting unemployment hurts you. The people who do not realize that probably aren't going to be the best employees anyway.
     
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  8. rogueunh

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    [QUOTE
    It just isn't worth it for him to work so what would you suggest in this situation?[/QUOTE]

    Are you kidding me? That is exactly what is wrong with people.

    For $30 a week less he would rather collect off other people, many of them working for less???

    Have some pride for crying out loud.
     
  9. Joescheppae Q

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    Are you kidding me? That is exactly what is wrong with people.

    For $30 a week less he would rather collect off other people, many of them working for less???

    Have some pride for crying out loud.[/QUOTE]

    i hear what you guys are saying and agree he should take the job but don't think that will happen till after the holidays because I like having an electrician available two or three days a week to work on my properties and w/ Christmas coming he likes the cash.
     
  10. Pedigreed Bulldog

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    ...so in other words, you're saying he's committing fraud against the unemployment system by sitting at home collecting benefits while at the same time performing jobs for people on the side for cash? Is he reporting this cash income on his taxes or is he not paying income/employment taxes either?

    People who abuse the system like that disgust me.