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Can't find a definitive answer for under 26000 plates / registration and cgvw

Discussion in 'Trucking Industry Regulations' started by PowerWagon, Feb 24, 2013.

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  1. Feb 24, 2013 #1
    PowerWagon

    PowerWagon Medium Load Member

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    I don't know where to ask this, so I'm putting it where it seems appropriate, perhaps it is or isn't.

    I have a 1 ton and a friend has a nice gooseneck. Sometimes I move tractors / hay, etc (not for hire, so far - no, I'm not "trucking" illegally). Anyway, we've managed to avoid scales up till now, but if I do this legally, I have to plate my truck in OR for 26000 (over and I have to have a CDL) and the trailer permanent registation.

    However, the gross combined truck and trailer ratings are HIGHER than 26,000.

    It has got me thinking about this. I've been thinking of doing some hotshot work, and I'd like to keep under 26,000 so is this legal i'm registered and plated for 26K, but the plates on the truck and trailer combined add up to a little more than that? I don't want to deal with IFTA and getting a CDL, so, I want to stay 26,000 and under.

    Is this valid or legal in all 48, and will I get whacked for GVW vs registered weight?
     
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  3. Feb 24, 2013 #2
    379exhd

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    Youll need a 25500lb base plate and under 26000 gvw under your dot number. Still have to log though and have fun the first time your over gross at a scale. And remember it dont have to be a chicken house some dot boys carry portable scales.
     
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  4. Feb 24, 2013 #3
    PowerWagon

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    Under 26K won't be participating in IRP or IFTA. Oregon requires any pickup that tows a NON RV truck and trailer (and non farm, too) over 10K gross combined to have a commercial truck plate and a permanent "heavy trailer" tag on the trailer.

    I've asked this question elsewhere and nobody seems to be able to answer it... What if the manufacturer's GVW's add up to more than 26,000, but that's all I plate for? I've read that it's not a problem, and I've read that DOT will slap you for a lack of CDL, etc. And yes, I'd have to get my DOT number, insurance, UCR filing, blah, blah. I just can't seem to get a definitive answer on manufacturer's GVW differing from what I'm plated for.

    And no, I will NOT be going through scales over gross. Just won't do it.
     
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  5. Feb 24, 2013 #4
    truckon

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    Pm sent....
     
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  7. Feb 24, 2013 #5
    379exhd

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    No irp in or for under 26000? OR must he one messed up state. Never heard of the heavy trailer tag either...get a 12 ton plate your dot, mc, drug testing and all that crap set up with your insurance. And STAY UNDER 26000 not at UNDER theres a lot of difference between 350k in insurance and 1 million. Oh youll need a bond too bdcause or rquires a bond have fun with that.
     
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  8. Feb 24, 2013 #6
    dibstr

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    For IRP: (iii) is used in combination, when the gross vehicle weight of such combination exceeds 26,000. pounds (11,793.401 kilograms).(Notice it says weight and not rating)

    For IFTA: You do not have to participate in IFTA if you do not want to. But its a pain in the butt not to (Trip permits etc). You qualify to do so if you run a combination that has a combined or registered gross vehicle weight of more than 26,000 pounds or 11,797 kilograms. (Notice it says weight and not rating).



    If the GCWR is 26,001 or more with the trailer rating of 10,001 or more you need a CDL (A). Matters not what you weigh or what you plate for. (Notice its based on rating, not actual or tag weight)

    Best regards
     
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    RickG Thanks this.
  9. Feb 25, 2013 #7
    Quickfarms

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    Does OR used declared weight?
     
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  10. Feb 25, 2013 #8
    PowerWagon

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    Not for Oregon and staying within Oregon.

    Oregon only cares what you plate for, not the GVW, if I understand the wording Oregon uses. No CDL, either. Oh, and Oregon's a non-participating state, as far as IRP goes.

    Further, if you're registered under 26K, you are exempt from OR's weight mile tax.

    Any trailer over a certain weight (don't recall the exact weight now - but it's real small) is called a "heavy trailer", and must be towed with commercial vehicle plates, which must must be purchased according to the combined weight you want to run, not GVW.

    Anyway, thanks for the info.
     
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  11. Feb 25, 2013 #9
    379exhd

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    Gotta love that one lb dont ya? Lol. We have a 3/4 ton dodge we were gonna use for auto hauling with a 40ft hot shot trailer. Took me an hour and 2 phone calls to figure out if my driver would need a cdl to drive it. Apparently the trailer gvwr only matters if your over 26000lbs. Dot needs to get a little clearer on their laws imho. And i love how were trying to help the OP yet were all wrong if he already knew all this crap and wants to argue why post the question? Oh well I've learned something oregon isnt a state ill ever move my business to. Take care drovers keep the shiny side up, greasy side down, the wheels spinnin and the beavers grinnin.
     
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  12. Feb 25, 2013 #10
    dibstr

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    Sorry, I missed that you were going to stay intrastate. This being the case IRP and IFFA are not a concern even though Oregon does participate in IRP.

    For the CDL Oregon does use weight ratings and combination weight ratings (not registered weight)for CDL purposes but you can self certify as intrastate.

    Best regards
     
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