Carrying gasoline for generator

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  1. Dino soar

    Dino soar Road Train Member

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    What tank are you going to use for the extended run time?
     
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  3. Dino soar

    Dino soar Road Train Member

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    If you can find that please let me see that.

    I'm not doubting you at all and I get it these cops you get the wrong one and you can have a problem depending but these rules that I've quoted here seem pretty clear and they specifically talk about gasoline and auxiliary fuel for auxiliary equipment.
     
  4. skallagrime

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    Scroll through this and also look at the text of the special permit itself

    DOT LEGAL TRANSFER TANKS

    Then this table from fmcsa (pdf form)

    https://www.nrcs.usda.gov/Internet/FSE_DOCUMENTS/nrcs144p2_043004.pdf

    Its weird, but from what im reading now it SEEMS to indicate
    1. you can go up to a 119 gallon transfer tank.
    2 But you have to placard it
    3 and buy a dot approved tank
    4 and carry a special permit
    5 not requiring hazmat endorsement
    6 but requiring special training
    7 carry the msds for it
    8 and have it specially inspected every 2.5 years
    9 and MAYBE have a bol for it... (this is the wierdest part)

    Thats quite a pain in the keister, if i could find an aluminum round one in 50 to 100 gallons meeting the specs, thats probably what id go for.
     
  5. Dino soar

    Dino soar Road Train Member

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    The way I'm seeing this the company that you linked to that company is all about actual transfer tanks and they show them in pickup trucks so to me that looks as though like you're carrying fuel to go fuel a bulldozer or go fuel a jet and it has to be DOT approved and all that stuff for the actual transfer tank you're using.

    But that's something separate the way I'm seeing it from fueling your own auxiliary equipment with your own auxiliary tank.

    The Hazmat guide that you gave again the way that I'm seeing this, that's about cargo. So if you pick up a load of something and there's more than 8 gallons of fuel contained within that cargo, then you have to follow their guidelines.

    I think that is something completely separate from the FMCSA rule that I linked above that talks about auxiliary fuel tanks to fuel auxiliary units. If you read what I linked it actually talks about having a mounted auxiliary tank on your truck that is used to fuel an auxiliary unit.

    The tank that I have is an actual aluminum truck tank that's made to haul fuel.

    Can anyone else provide any Clarity on this?

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  6. skallagrime

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    Thats a fair reading, but every bit of guidance i can see has to do with fuel tanks for operating the equipment on which its mounted.

    I see a good arguement that yes its fine cause it is simply powering your own equipment, just not the powerplant, BUT i havent found any clear guidance to that end. probably easy to contest and maybe win in court, but personally i dont want to deal with that kind of hassle.

    Personally i dont see the big deal, mounted generator vs engine, a gas truck or rv can have a massive fuel tank, but the second its used for a generator its a big load of regulation? Feels weird.
     
  7. flood

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    I'm thinking of a 6 boat tank... I have a few extra for my boat.... I'll just need to change the top from Evanrude to Yamaha...
     
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  8. Rideandrepair

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    So to comply, with both, you’d need to mount the transfer tank on the outside of frame on Tractor. And then only use it as a transfer tank to fill the generator. I’ve always heard of the 8 gal max can. Also heard of no gravity fed tanks. I’ve often wondered about this exact thing. I see no reason why an auxiliary tank, mounted on the outside of the frame wouldn’t be Legal. If I read Dino’s regs correctly, it seems the DOT approved criteria is a top draw tank, for gasoline. Diesel tanks have a draw that’s on the side. The gas can is a pita. Generator always needs refilling, as does the can. I planned on a bigger tank. Thanks everyone for doing the research on regs. I’d sure want a copy of them, just in case I run into the one DOT Guy. Next thread, propane Tank regs. One thing at a time. Lol.
     
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  9. Ridgeline

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    But … no.

    What Dino is asking has a simple solution, the regs apply to portable containers, but beyond the 8 gallons, the use of a dot qualified container like a gas tank that is mounted to the frame removes the hazmat requirements, the same goes for any the dot qualified mounted tank.
     
  10. flood

    flood Road Train Member

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    most of the extend run tank kits bypass the generator fuel tank and run straight from the remote tank
    it's in the little green book you have
     
  11. Dino soar

    Dino soar Road Train Member

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    Well I think that's what I'm going to do because I have a spare tank that I have all the right hangers and straps for it for my truck. I hate the idea of constantly stopping and refilling a generator and stopping for gas and all of that.

    I was going to buy a champion 4250 remote start generator but that's an open frame. That one will run up to 22 hours! But I think it will do less well in the elements and I think it will be louder.1 I couldn't find any information on how the exhaust was set up so I wasn't really sure about extending it either. The Predator is so popular, it has a good extended warranty, it's extremely quiet, and I can have a remote start and an extended run tank setup like this. There are times that Il stay in the truck for a day or so, so it would be great to just rest without having to get out and refuel and the whole thing of it

    To meet the regulations I can take the sending unit out and replace that with a draw tube.
     
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