cat mpg opinions and advice

Discussion in 'Trucks [ Eighteen Wheelers ]' started by morph, Oct 31, 2009.

  1. droy

    droy Heavy Load Member

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    I tend to agree with you on the "wear out sooner" point, but am going to paraphrase something I read awhile back; it just doesn't make sense.
    Taken from Heavy Duty Trucking, out of an article on "specing trucks for fuel mileage". A rep from a major tire manufacturer stated that "due to the compound put in the smaller diameter and lo- profile tires, there is not a lot of difference in the tread life of a 22.5 tire compared to a 24.5", he also stated that the difference in tire replacement cost was less a factor than brand/type of tire and price shopping.

    Although I DO believe that two identical trucks, one with 24.5, & one with 22.5, run for, say a million miles, the 22.5 equipped truck will cost less to run, (tires & fuel). Less rolling resistance = better MPG; and cheaper purchase price for the smaller tire. I have a hard time using what the tire rep said as part of my argument. If the compound of the smaller tire lets it get almost the mileage of the taller tire, why not put that same compound in the taller tires?
    If there is truth in this, could the reason be the fact that large fleets use the small tires, and evil O/Os use the biguns? :biggrin_25516:
     
  2. swaan

    swaan Road Train Member

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    The parts guy at cat told me that they are out of stock on the remans (10r7155) , so if i order a reman i will most likely get new(130-9710).
    Your prices are better then i could get, I was quoted 1338 for reman plus 791 for core. Or $2359 for new. Keep in mind this is canadian.
     
  3. SpeedRacer

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    It probably has something to do with the LP tires having less flex (hence rougher ride) and the taller tires need a different compound to make them wear right with the flexing. Just a guess. I agree with your reasoning though, it definitely makes since to order a spec'd right for 22.5's if you can, otherwise run what ya got. I think it's more important to have it spec'd right for whatever tires you have, but ideal if you can spec right with 22.5LP.

    Mr. Haney, any reason for me to think about a cam upgrade in the 6NZ down the road? Or just better keep it stock and run the 58 injectors and upgraded turbo/ecm?
     
  4. Mr. Haney

    Mr. Haney Road Train Member

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    I like the cam upgrade, because I find that the soot level drops in the oil. This tells me that more air is making it into the cylinder for a better combustion cycle. I also see about a 1/2mpg increase in fuel mileage with the cam I recommended. I've never had anybody I know use the 130-9710 cam to get feedback from. I've been told this cam is worth 50 Hp on a chassis dyno and doesn't create a lopey idle when used with larger injectors.
     
  5. smokin809

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    Mr haney is bang on with his cam selection, i've gained near 1/2 mpg, and soot is down according to my spinner.
     
  6. SpeedRacer

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    My soot runs 0.4 now on my samples running the Gulf Coast Filter. I don't know if I'll go much lower. If I was to reduce soot though, I may be able to extend my change intervals out even farther.

    I'm definitely going to keep my eye on the soot as I make any changes. Oils samples are invaluable, and I swear by the GCF.
     
  7. droy

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    I am totally ignorant about the American dollar / Canadian dollar thing, and am sure that if it was good economics, all you guys north of the fence would be doing it; but what about ordering the cam from the main store in Peoria, IL? Does shipping and tariffs kill any savings, or is it the dollar exchange thing, or maybe a combination?
    My price, with sales tax for the cam and core was $1764.81; almost $600.00 less than your quote. A nice chunk of change, no matter what country you're in.
     
  8. droy

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    As I stated earlier, I feel the cam replacement had a lot to do with my increase in MPG; but because of other mods, (like the new flash file in my ecm), the turbo, etc, I am sure the cam replacement is not solely responsible.
    Had another injector replaced last week; #3 had went out, apparently not all at once. My mileage had dropped to a low of mid 5, to a high of 5.9, and really couldn't hear a engine miss. I figured this was due to the water in fuel problem our terminal was fighting. After replacing the bad injector, I made two trips,
    (1) Lake Charles, LA to Waxahachie, TX
    (2) Lake Charles to Valdosta, GA.
    Three fill ups for the two trips gave me 6.07, 6.19, and 6.39; (average of 6.2166). Yes, I'm aware it was mostly flatland running, and just three fill ups, but after seeing averages of 4.8-5.0 when I first purchased the truck, the grin on my face as I put up the calculator shows how I feel about the work done to my engine, and the added power is a big bonus.
     
    Big Duker Thanks this.
  9. haystack

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    Blakesreman.com out of denver is showing an exchange price of 650 for the pn 10r7155
     
  10. C16KIWI

    C16KIWI Medium Load Member

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    I am also very interested in doing a cam change looking in my service manual the C-15,C-16 and the C-18 with part number 201-2677 all have a exhaust lobe of 8.515mm and the C-15 and C-18 have the same inlet of 9.702mm with the C-16 being 9.431mm.
    Injector lobes are all much the same C-15 10.471mm,C-16 10.451mm, C-18 10.451mm.

    My question is the only difference must be the duration how do you find this out????
     
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