Caught between a moron and a hard place

I only said it disappeared from the qualcomm record in the truck. I do not know if it was deleted any other places.

However, anything placed onto a computer can be removed. The company is paying for the records and they can request items to be deleted. My experience with a qualcomm is back in 1999 so they may have changed alot since then.

 

daytona, this is from Logsrus.
There is a thread in Trucking Regulations called 'Are you running illegal on your logs.' I got this from the 4th page I think. She is talking about only logging paid miles but seems to me this information would apply to anyone running illegally.

She might be someone you could pm privately as well if you feel you need to.

"My opinion is you should not log paid miles and you should record your conversations or type it over the qualcom. Do not be too obvious in what you are doing they can usually tell what's up. Once you get the information you need to prove who is making you log illegal send a letter to the Federal DOT and they WILL come and do an audit. Understand they will audit your logs in return (usually to see if you are logging legal and being a legit complainer, not just mad at your dispatcher).

See now when DOT audits your logs on the road they will do a point to point.
Let’s say I am going from Indianapolis to Chicago and at the posted speed limit it takes 4 hours to get there, but you logged it # 62 your log would probably show 3 hours driving. The minimum it can take is 4. YOU would get a ticket for false log speeding.

Now the worse thing to happen is you get in an accident and bad things happen. DOT & Attorneys will be matching your logs to the qualcom the very next day after the accident (if not that day) and if your dispatcher forced you to run illegal he/she might go to jail and guess who else goes? Yes, you because you are not supposed to run illegal either.

That's the worse case scenario. The best scenario is you don't have an accident and you get the lazy officers that do not check your log book so closely.

Ok I have done my preaching for now. This is just advice to protect you and for me to know I tried to help you. It is your prerogative to do what you want, but I want you to know what can happen if you keep doing what you are.


Have you talked to your safety director? Sometimes the dispatchers are doing this without the company knowing it for the bonus they probably get."

 

try to run legal and then get punished for it wtf

 

Unless you can't get to MacSteel by 2100, there aren't any legal issues here.

You're not allowed on Line 3, Driving, after your 14. But you can Line 4 till you die from exhaustion.
Get there by 2100, wait till 2200, get loaded, breaktime.
With the information provided, your FM didn't tell you to do anything illegal, just silly, and silly happens.

 

The actual reality is you pick it up or another driver will but either way its gettin p/u
welcome to truck drivin

 

if you can get to mac steel by 2100, you are ok and legal. You'll just have to sit there for 10 hours after you get loaded.

 

the messages are still in qualcomms database and can not be deleted from their database. The company can take it out of their system but not qualcomm, it is there forever.

 

Moriarti nailed this 1. Good job Moriarti!

The important thing to understand about hours of service is it is designed to limit DRIVING. You may work 24 hours a day 7 days a week and not be in "violation" so long as you DO NOT DRIVE.

As long as you could make it to the shipper within your 14 hour work window you could in fact pick up the load. The proper way to log it would be to show driving to the shipper then check in with the shipper ( I use 15 minutes of on duty not driving to check in, dock, and sign papers). The shipper may in fact load you early. In the event you have to wait, go wait in your truck, get out your laptop or crack a book and you can then legitimately log off duty for the time your waiting.
As long as the truck is legally parked and you are relieved of responsibilty for the truck and its contents you may in fact log your time as off duty. By playing on your laptop or reading a book you are in fact "pursuing an off duty function of your choosing."

You must become an effective time manager if you expect to make it in this business. As other posters have mentioned if you fail to do the job your assigned to they will find another driver that will, and you will be sitting waiting for a different load not making any money.

By the way some posters advocate a split log. I for 1 do not and here is why;
1. You never get a "fresh 14 hour work period."
2. You never get a "fresh 11 hour driving period."
3. The only legitimate "split" is a 2/8 split. No more 7/3, 6/4, 5/5.
4. The only thing you have accomplished with an 8 hour break is "stopped" the 14 hour work window. Meaning the 14 hour work window just got extended 8 hours. The problem with this is you still have the 11 hour driving time constraint measured from your last consecutive 10 hour break.
I for 1 do not use the split any more and advise others to simply stay parked for an additional 2 hours. At least this way you have reset your 11 hour driving clock and the 14 hour work window. It keeps your log simple and will keep you from making a costly error (wether the error is caught by your safety department and you lose a compliance bonus or the dot catches the error and gives you a fine and places you out of service).

 

OK now I got a question for you so you get to the shipper before your 14 is up then what do you do? I am a flat-bedder I have to secure the load and scale out and unless I am putting this truck on my back and carrying it around the yard it all requires me to drive. I am not driving on the road but I am driving just the same. Now unless I am mistaken I can not do any driving after the 14th hour.Not a little bit of driving much like being pregnant either you are or you ain't but you cant be a little bit pregnant.So what is it. Am I driving or aren't I?

The real sad part is I am in trouble with safety for log violations already involving my fueling time and working past my 14 hours and now I have to go to a logging class to get some of these safety points removed or I will be put on probation.This is one of the craziest things I have run into so far. I am getting punished for working to hard and when I try to do it by the book they will punish me in a whole different way.Safety department in trucking seems to me to be a bit of an oxymoron.It is a lot like being a priest at a brothel.they just don't go together.

 

From my understanding with paperless logs you can move the truck .7 of a mile and still be ok.