You're right on course here. I'm technically oriented and understand theory so your responses allow me to gain the knowledge I seek. Sometimes you just have to accept a fact and move on, other times you have to know more.
I could just sit in the vehicle and motor down the road, pressing the mic button when I want to talk and listen to the response. But in the end I would wonder how all of this works and spend countless hours on the internet researching the topic.
And now you know how I landed here!
Thank you for your detailed responses. Let me know when I hit PITA velocity. (Did I mention Adrian Monk is my hero?)
CB Installation and Design
Discussion in 'CB Radio Forum' started by USA1, Feb 6, 2011.
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Is there a drop-off in performance for 90 degree connectors or quick release connectors?
Rather than bending coax to connect to a hidden connector under the roof panel, I was considering a 90 degree connector. As for the antenna connection, would it mess with the SWR tuning if you use a quick release mount? Once it is set, would a disconnect and reconnect cause the SWR to vary each time it is attached?
I'm using computer network logic when I ask about the 90 degree connector. CAT 5 cable should have a 2" radius when navigating corners and entry to cabinets. I'm sure there is a rule for Coax as well. If this can be manipulated by hardware without affecting performance then that appears to be the answer.
Side mounting the 102" whip, the higher the better for relief of shielding the bottom portion of the whip? Also, since it is a panel van wouldn't there be an advantage to installing on the right rear to gain the approaching traffic in the elliptical pattern? ( 4 o'clock to 10 o'clock ) -
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Yeah, what Bruce said. And you're right about minimum bending radii for coaxes; they're different, and specified by the individual manufacturers. But 90 deg elbows maintain constant spacing between the inner and outer conductors on their inside, which is the problem with bending coax. I use them at UHF frequencies will acceptable performance. Put remember to put a drop of nail polish on the end of the threads to work as a removable version of Loc-Tite® so it doesn't loosen until you want it to.
And as for which side upon which to mount the 102", the foci of the ellipse are not so far apart as to make the ellipse that narrow, but in theory you're right. It's more like a floodlight than a laser.
And yes, the higher the better for its mount, +/- height restrictions and things to hit with it. If you use a spring, and opt for a rain gutter clip to hold the end down for entry into garages, remember that having the tip that close to the body will foul up the impedance match, potentially affecting your transmitter. Not to mention the gross distortion of the antenna's pattern.
I've used the quick disconnects up to 30 MHz with good results, as long as you keep the mating halves clean.
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I was going to ask about dielectric grease as a weather barrier for the external connection.
I believe I have enough information now to make an educated SWAG, (scientific wild ##*ed guess).
- Side mounted 102" whip, 1 foot below the roof line, near to a pillar for strength utilizing a spring for flexibility. Quick connect.
- Mount radio above windshield, ground radio to bulkhead with copper braid, and run cable through upper body channel down the side of the van in flexible conduit to avoid chaffing. 10 gauge cable for scalability in possible future applications.
- Run a dedicated circuit for the radio incorporating a noise filter and fuse.
- Use 90 degree connector to attach cable to antenna mount
- Purchase a quality SWR meter (recommendation?) and adjust antenna
This has been a lengthy thread for what most would consider an easy task, but I wanted to do this based on sound technical theory, professional experience and most of all ... do it right the first time (good engineering).
I'll photo document the process for troubleshooting purposes, but with the advice and recommendations obtained from you guys what could possibly go wrong??Ooooops!
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One quick note: Since dielectric grease is, by definition, non-conductive, don't pack it inside the quick disconnect. The idea there is to encourage good conductivity. I actually have electrically conductive grease from my days as a copier tech (yes, another parallel profession for awhile).
I put a little dab on the threads of any 3/8 x 24 antenna to serve as an anti-seize lube. I stress *little* so it doesn't squeegee out and run down to the mount and provide a short to ground; literally just a drop. Since most people never come across this stuff, it's never mentioned in installation instructions that are packaged with mounts and antennas. Plus it attracts & holds dirt, so when you take an antenna off, you've got to be scrupulous in cleaning the grease out of the mount, or cover it to keep it clean. Same goes for the antenna's threads.
Or just skip the grease, except on the gasket that goes between the outside of the mount and the skin of the vehicle. That's the place to use the dielectric grease.
I'll look forward to the install photo series; it should be of benefit to lots of folks.
Happy drilling!
73,
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Thanks Handlebar.
After installation I have another feature I want to incorporate. My Delco radio has an automatic volume control that adjusts the volume of the radio according to vehicle speed (so you don't get blown out while stopped at a red light or the like).
I'd like to tap into that feature to reduce the volume of my stereo when a CB transmission is being received. But that's for another day.
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One more niggling little detail to consider on the side-mounted 102": putting it on the driver's side keeps the antenna farther from low branches and stuff along the side of streets. And, if you've got the tip clipped down in a garage, you can reach out of the driver's window after you clear the obstructions and let 'er rip without disembarking your ride.
But the tree branches are the more common reason to favor the left.
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Details, details! But a good one at that ... Thank you. Good Stuff.
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Found a place 4 miles from here, handlebar. Citizens 2 Way radio. They've been there since 1959. She checked out the radio and said there was a swing kit in it. She thought the radio was set up very well and nothing else was done to it, nothing clipped. Also said it was her favorite radio of that type. I don't know what that meant but took it as a good thing and left it at that. The question: What is a swing kit and why does my radio have it? On another note I was able to talk with a guy 7 miles away on channel 20, in the city. This sounds (to me) like it's a pretty good setup that I have already with the K40 mag mount centered on the van.
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