CDL driver's duty status when permit driver is driving

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  1. space cowboy

    space cowboy Bobtail Member

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    When a driver with a Commercial Driver Instruction Permit is driving with another driver that has a CDL, technically speaking, what is the CDL driver's status - off duty, on duty/not driving, must he remain awake or can sleep behind the permit driver? Do permit drivers need to keep logs?
     
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  3. redoctober83

    redoctober83 Road Train Member

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    The driver with the cdl must be on-duty and in the jump seat at all times while driver with the permit is driving. Yes the permit driver must keep logs as well.
     
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  4. space cowboy

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    So on a 10 hour run if the permit driver drives for 5 hours, from the CDL driver's perspective essentially it is no different than if CDL driver drove the full 10 hours?
     
  5. redoctober83

    redoctober83 Road Train Member

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    If I am understanding your example correctly, permit driver drives 5 hours and then cdl driver drives 5 hours then it would 5 hours on-duty and 5 hours of drive time on the cdl drivers log. Not the same as if cdl drove all 10.
     
  6. space cowboy

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    So other than good karma, does the CDL driver get any benefit from splitting the driving with the permittee?
     
  7. redoctober83

    redoctober83 Road Train Member

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    The truck could drive 14 hours a day. Besides that not really.

    Example, permit driver drives full 11 hours and then cdl driver can drive 3 before his 14 hour clock is up.
     
  8. purpleprime

    purpleprime Medium Load Member

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    Or cdl driver drives 11 hours then goes on duty while permit driver drives 11 but that will eat the cdl holders 70 up quick
     
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  9. DustyRoad

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    Lines 2 and 4 .ON Duty and ON Duty not Driving is counted together and regulated by the 14 and 70 hour rule. The 11 hour rule only applies to line 3 on duty driving which clearly states no more than 11 hours driving during a 14 hour period.

    ? Can a driver work on duty line 4 past their 14, YES. but they must take in account the time and not return to on duty status until a 10 hour rule has been satisfied, Recently there have been some changes to the 34 and the mandate for 30 min break.. so be sure to get with the DOT on that issue.

    A CDL Permit Holder may only drive while accompanied by a CDL Licence holder, who is in the truck logged on line 4 "on duty not driving".


    Hope you find this helps!
     
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  10. Moving Forward

    Moving Forward Heavy Load Member

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    This sounds like the exact kind of case for CR England's request-for-exemption status with the FMCSA... but maybe I'm wrong.
     
  11. TracyN

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    So you are saying your CDL driver drives for 11 hours and then goes on duty while the permit driver drives 11, and that would show him on duty for 22 hours which is not legal. Also, a permit driver has to have a CDL driver in the jump seat, so to be legal, the total amount of driving/on duty not driving time would be 14 hours. Period. Basically the CDL holder and the permit driver would have to work the same 14 hour clock.
     
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