CDL or Non CDL????

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    IN regulations are written as well as the FMSCA. :)

     
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    ^

    That pretty much backs up my statement. Class C with a hazmat should suffice, but personally I would make sure to scale the truck to ensure it's not overweight.

    *EDIT*

    FYI:

    If the OP's company does not use the tank to haul hazmat then a class C isn't required either. It's perfectly legal to drive a box truck on a regular license, provided you aren't hauling placarded hazmat and the vehicle is under 26,001 LBS GVWR.
     
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    There's no and/or. You cannot get a Class C with just an N (Tank) endorsement. A C has to be issued with an H (Hazmat)(Or a P if a passenger vehicle), and then it can have an N, but you cannot just get a C with an N (Tank).

    No, because if it has a GVWR of 26,000 pounds, it rules, and the tank by itself does not make it require a CDL. To make a vehicle with a GVWR of 26,000 pounds require a CDL, it would need Hazmat requiring placarding (Or a passenger vehicle designed to transport 16 or more passengers including the driver). Then a class C with an H and N or an X would work.
    Just curious, but for any particular reason?
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    one pound off, 26,001 :)
     
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    "Always" better to over-do than under-do.

    Exactly!

    That's where the states come in. Some have a state version of a non-CDL commercial license such as here in MS we have a Class D commercial (Non-CDL)

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    I'm missing your point?

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    I know in NC you don't have to have any kinda cdl to operator a truck used to collect waste out of the portable toilets and they have air brakes and everything but it does not require a cdl of any kind
     
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    The question concerns whether a CDL is necessary or not, and the definition in 383.5 is irrelevant to this. Reference 383.91 for vehicle groups and CDL's.


    Hazmat endorsement is needed only if the amount of hazmat requires placarding.
    Didn't dispute this, but again you cannot get just a plain Jane class C, or a C with a tank endorsement alone. A class C has to be a accompanied with a H (or P) endorsement, then you can add other endorsements.


    Yes as described it is a non-CDL requiring vehicle. Never disputed this.


    For CDL purposes the GVW is irrelevant, only the GVWR. 383.91

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    Money. Imagine the money a state would make if you needed a class B CDL to drive a Uhaul or Budget rental truck.
     
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