CDL required or not.....Confused

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  1. Mog Man

    Mog Man Bobtail Member

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    Hello and thanks in advance for any help you can send my way.

    Been researching to see if I need a CDL license or not and get more confused the more I search.

    I have a flatbed ford truck that I use to tow trailers that have Halloween props to music events. The loads range from 2500-6500 lbs. (mostly closer to the 3000 lbs range)

    If I am below the 26,001 limit, am I still required to get a CDL in the state of Texas?

    I have regular insurance on my truck and a “Not For Hire” sticker on both sides.

    Here are the details on the tow rig and trailers.

    Tow Rig: F-550 Super Duty V10
    Empty Weight: 6100 lbs
    Gross Weight: 19.800 lbs
    GCWR: 28,000 lbs

    Trailer 1:
    20' Tandem Axle Flatbed Utility - Bumper pull
    Empty Weight: 3900 lbs
    Gross Weight: 14.900 lbs

    Trailer 2:
    24' Tandem Axle Flatbed Utility - Goose-neck
    Empty Weight: 5200 lbs
    Gross Weight: 15.700 lbs

    Trailer 3:
    38' Triple Axle Enclosed - Goose-neck
    Empty Weight: 6820 lbs
    Gross Weight: 15.600 lbs

    Can anyone shed some light on if I am required to get a CDL or not in the state of Texas?

    Thanks!
    Mog
     
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  3. ZVar

    ZVar Road Train Member

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    Yes you will need a class A to pull that. Actual weight doesn't matter, it's all about weight rating (unless overloaded).
    1. Gvwr of truck is 19,800
    2. Gvwr of lightest trailer is 14,900

    Combined you are over 26,000 that requires a CDL and since the trailer is over 10,000 you need a class A.
    Here is the flowchart straight from Texas .CDL Commercial Drivers License Classifications | Department of Public Safety
     
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  4. Mog Man

    Mog Man Bobtail Member

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    Thank you ZVar.

    I have been to the Texas DOT site and all over the web trying to figure this out and appreciate your reply.

    I am assuming that I will need to get a higher costing commercial auto insurance as well?

    If so, that sucks, as I only do this for a few days at the end of October.
     
  5. ZVar

    ZVar Road Train Member

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    I can't answer to insurance, but maybe you can get it for just the month. Something to look at anyway.
    As for the CDL, if you plan on doing it yourself, you need to get the permit before Feb 9th I believe. After that you will have to take schooling to get a CDL.
     
  6. Mog Man

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    Thanks for the heads up. I saw that some where on one of the sites and thought it was a gimmick to make me sign up for their school.

    I better get to studying.

    Thanks again for your advance / guidance!
    Mog
     
  7. PATruckie

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    It's Feb. 7th for the schooling cutoff. You stated "Not for Hire" in your original post. If this is your own personal property for your private use, a non-commercial class A could be a possibility. That could also avoid more costly commercial insurance, but you should fly it by your agent to be sure.
     
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  8. wis bang

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    Halloween props to music events, sounds like there is the potential for money to change hands somewhere in that process which eliminates the non cdl class A unless each 'event' is 'yours' so it looks commercial from here.
     
  9. Mog Man

    Mog Man Bobtail Member

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    yes, it is my own personal property for my private use, but yes I get paid to build a Haunted House for a 2 day music event.

    I did look into CDL requirements before I bought the 1 ton truck, as one insurance company said the vin # was for a commercial truck and would need commercial insurance. For some reason, another company was able to insure the truck as a non-commercial truck, as I do mostly use it for personal use.

    Thinking this whole time I was good, now I am seeing I am probably very lucky that I didn't end up with a huge fine and a loss of my license for 90 or so.

    Do I need to have all the testing done before Feb. 7th, or just be in the system and showing that I have started taking the test, so I get grandfathered in?

    Thanks again for all the info.

    Mog
     
  10. seagreg

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    While the term has become almost useless, a F-550 is not a '1-ton', F-5XX and the F-5 that preceded it are 1 1/2 ton trucks and medium duty trucks and not a light truck. Note that it is It is offered in multiple GVWRs 17,500, 18,000, 19,000, and 19,500.

    Those numbers are not random, as 19,500 is the max for a Class 5 truck and classes 3,4,5, and 6 are "medium duty trucks".

    Modern F-350 which is the traditional nameplate for a '1-ton' have GVWR between 10,100 and 12,400 lbs which still puts them above the 10,000 lb GVWR than will also possibly subject you to RODS, CDL with many trailers, etc...

    The questions are how far do you drive in radius, do you ever go to other states etc...Intrastate-Texas for non farm vehicles still requires a CDL over 26,000 GCWR but be careful on the insurance. They will get out of paying a claim any way that they can, and you need to be sure that your commercial auto insurance covers your use case.

    Often you can get someone to sell you a light truck policy but then when you need to actually use it they will say that your medium duty truck towing such a heavy trailer wasn't covered. It sounds like you bought pickup truck insurance, when you need medium duty truck insurance.
     
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  11. Mog Man

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    Thanks seagreag. I need to check into this. My gut told me that this probably would be the case.
     
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