Cheat sheet for Ethanol Loading

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  1. csmcduffee

    csmcduffee Bobtail Member

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    Anybody know where I can get a cheat sheet for loading ethanol. I load 7700 gallons every time. Gross/net depending on temp, if higher I load 8740 to get 7700. How can I get a cheat sheet with temps that figures out to get 7700?

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  3. GasHauler

    GasHauler Master FMCSA Interpreter

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    You must be splashing the ethanol. The only time we had to adjust the mix is when the rack crashed. And then we didn't worry about temp. We just used the percentage for 10% per volume and the load came out. There's so much going on with the temperature on ethanol we could not load proportional. The chemists came out to our terminal and explained how ethanol with actually cool the product when loading. So they came up with their educated figures and showed us that when loading the ethanol it was injected differently throughout the load. You might get 20% during the first part then it slows down to come out with the correct mixture. Anyway, your meters should adjust for temp unless you're dumping on top of your load. Sorry can't help with temp because we never had to. Just say it's 60º.
     
  4. Big Duker

    Big Duker "Don Cheto"

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    He is probably hauling pure eth. We haul 7800 gallons max in 9500 gal trailer. Order is always the same for Exxon, Magellan, Direct Fuels others. Never been asked to try and get any more or less. Blending w/ gas is done in racks. Some add eth 1st others after the gas. If you have any problems and shut off before the complete load they have to come take samples and get the smart people up and decide what has to be done to allow load to leave or unload into transmix.
     
  5. csmcduffee

    csmcduffee Bobtail Member

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    Yes, you are correct. Pure ethanol. I usually pick up in Corning, IA at Poet which I'm told to just put in 7700 and will get 7700. I go to Shenandoah, Iowa, Green Plains and temp is always different depending on the time of day. Temp dictates how many gallons I need. I know from prior loading times, it was 86 degrees and was told to put in 7830 to get 7700. 98 degrees I think I put in 7920 ? to get 7700 plus or minus. I'm told in the winter months, the temp of product will be much lower and if I was to do 7700, it would probably give me 10.000 or more. I know there is some mathematical crap to all this, but math, my worse subject. Just wondering if there was some sort of cheat sheet I could use to figure temp for gallons.

    Only haul 7700 as it puts me right at 78.600 gross weight with full tanks of fuel
     
  6. Big Duker

    Big Duker "Don Cheto"

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    I guess you need to talk to folks at rack. They should be able to help you. Ours just gets unloaded most places. One has computer that will print variance. No big deal unless over 250 gallons off. Then just notify manager on duty and make a note.
     
  7. GasHauler

    GasHauler Master FMCSA Interpreter

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    Sorry guys it can not be pure ethanol. That would change the proper shipping name to Ethanol 3 UN1170 ll Or the new change where I don't have the new book.
     
  8. GasHauler

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    Sorry guys it can not be pure ethanol. That would change the proper shipping name to Ethanol 3 UN1170 ll.


    I found the new book http://www.ecfr.gov/cgi-bin/text-id...node=49:2.1.1.3.8&idno=49#49:2.1.1.3.8.2.25.1 I hope it works if not just search under CFR 49 parts 100 to 177 and it will be updated. And just to throw a wrench into the mess they are changing Ethanol w/ Gasoline blends with more than 10% to "Ethanol and Gasoline mixture" 3 UN3475 ll. So if the 15% law gets going you're going to see a lot of changes. Just protect yourself and know this code.
     
  9. Dieselgeek

    Dieselgeek Medium Load Member

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    GasHauler, did you have E85 in Vegas? We already placard UN3475 while hauling E85, with Flammable Placards on front and rear of the trailer. If the change is made to 15% Ethanol/Gasoline, we are already prepared for it where I work.

    All Ethanol hauled to our terminal is placarded UN1987. 95-99% Ethanol.
     
  10. GasHauler

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    No ,when I was driving we used lead in the gas! It came out the product and we just didn't deal with them. Now get ready to have 15% mix and I know it's going to cause many problems. I just read the our old pal Chevron got it with a 433,000 fine in the northern CA for not having the right 10% amount so this 15% is going to be a problem. I'll help as much and I just keep in touch.
     
  11. Dieselgeek

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    I would be content if E85 (E70 most months of the year), disappeared. It's a pain as most of our stations it requires a site move to deliver, changing placards, etc etc. If 15% Ethanol becomes standard in our area, it is what it is. Lower MPG, and the same price!
     
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