Clarification on Logbook. Please Advise.

Discussion in 'Trucking Industry Regulations' started by TheManJay, Sep 15, 2013.

  1. TheManJay

    TheManJay Bobtail Member

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    Thank you so much guys for the advice.

    My Safety Manager told me that I did not have to take the 30 minute break anymore running a local logbook because it was exempt and that we had only 12 hours to work locally(not that I go over 12 hours or have ever locally).

    Just relieved that is a valid way to log my logbook!

    Also - I was told that we did not have to be in the same city, but within 100 air miles to make this logbook valid. From the posts here, It sounds like it is OK.
     
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  3. Sublime

    Sublime Road Train Member

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    Your safety guy seems to be aware of the latest rulings. Good.
     
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  4. KW Cajun

    KW Cajun Road Train Member

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    The key part of the OP's statement is "most of my days consist of being out more then 100 air mile radius".

    This is NOT a valid record of duty status (RODS). You would be in violation of the 100 mile radius exemption, because... you are NOT operating within that radius "most of your days", as you say. The company is trying to misinform you & pull a fast one with logging.

    What happens when you get stopped, long outside that 100 mile radius? Yep, you alone are at fault. You get the ticket or OOS, depending on the severity.
    Plus, your log example lists line 4 as 12 hrs. You know the general daily limit is 11 hrs driving, but also you must show/take a 30 min line 1 break.

    Here's a good guide to HOS info:
    http://www.fmcsa.dot.gov/rules-regulations/truck/driver/hos/fmcsa-guide-to-hos.PDF

    Plus some 100 air-mile radius exemption info:

    100 Air-Mile Radius
    You are not required to fill out a log with a graph grid if you come under the 100 air-mile radius
    exception (see p. 2 for explanation of “air miles”). The 100 air-mile radius exception applies for
    any day in which you:

    • Drive within a 100 air-mile radius of your normal work reporting location,

    • Return to your work reporting location and are released within 12 consecutive hours, and

    • Follow the 10-hour off-duty and 11-hour driving requirements.

    Your motor carrier must keep time records of the times you report for and are released from work
    each day, and the total hours on duty each day. You do not have to have these records in your truck.
    This exception is optional. For example, you and your employer may choose to use a logbook
    even though you are within the 100 air-mile radius, so that you do not have to be released from
    work within 12 hours that day.
    This regulation is found in Section 395.1(e)(1).
     
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  5. Calist

    Calist Bobtail Member

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    I'm not assuming anything either. His question was, is the log example legal? Under the rule, he doesn't have to log at all. The company he works for has to have the relative information on hand. As long as his company has the correct time sheets recording his time he's okay, if the lose those records and the inspector requires the logs because of a company screw up, these logs would be used and the driver would be screwed. As written, they are not legal.

    And Sublime, as far as I'm concerned, 20 days or 20 years, I'll always be a student. I'll never stop learning until they put me in the ground.
     
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  6. TheManJay

    TheManJay Bobtail Member

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    Sorry - Let me clear the air here ..

    I do not run that type of local logbook unless I actually do local that day.

    Here is log of mine that is not local:

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    Sublime Road Train Member

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    Direct link please for your assertion about "most days".
     
  8. KW Cajun

    KW Cajun Road Train Member

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    Sublime,, what part of "most of my days consist of being out more then 100 air mile radius" by the OP did you not understand?
    The log is in violation, by the OP's own declaration.

    The "direct link" is right there in the FMCSA's own description that I just posted. Read first, then put foot in mouth.
     
  9. Sublime

    Sublime Road Train Member

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    As written that log is 100% FMCSA legal for a driver within 100 air-mile radius for the day. Period.
     
  10. Sublime

    Sublime Road Train Member

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    Show me the relevance. If he logs his other days correctly then he's legal.
     
  11. KW Cajun

    KW Cajun Road Train Member

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    Nice "backtrack" added.
     
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