Cobra 139xlr 40 cn SSB no audio, carrier ok

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  1. larbian

    larbian Bobtail Member

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    I was trying to install an echo board to this 139xlr. When keying mic, it would squeal so I tried a different ground and the audio went out. I disconnected the echo but still no receive.

    I have a carrier but no receive and no modulation. The receive meter doesn't move when turned on except the carrier when keying.
    Can someone get me started where to look. I assume it's in the audio section. I was hoping not a final since I wasn't transmitting when it happened.

    Greatly appreciated.
     
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  3. Night Stalker10

    Night Stalker10 Road Train Member

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    Sounds like you may have shorted out the audio amp ic4, or maybe t1 transformer. Can you hear yourself talk through the pa ?
     
  4. larbian

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    Thanks for your reply.
    I dont know if it's normal but when I switch to pa, the lights go out but the channel indicator stays on.
    I plugged in earbuds and heard a hum but when I keyed the mic nothing. I also moved the earbud jack in and out to see if a better connection.
     
  5. Ridgeline

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    I see you posted this on radioreference.com

    Well I have a couple questions for you.

    Do you have instructions for the install?

    Which echo board is this, there are a few.

    I doubt very much if you blew anything up in the radio, it sounds like it wasn't wired right.
     
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  6. larbian

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    The board is a DELTA EC2 CB ECHO BOARD TURBO

    I connected the mic in to the #2 pin of mic jack and the mic out to the disconnected wire from pin 2.

    Here's where I made the mistake. Each connection had a ground and a ground for the power feed. I connected the 3 grounds together.
    The red power supply I connected to the 12v input jack at the rear of the radio and connected all 3 grds to the neg ground on that jack which the antenna ground is connected to that also so when I keyed the mic it squealed so I figured it was feedback from the common ground so I moved that ground to the negative of a 3300uf electrolytic cap on a separate board from the main board and thats when the audio went out. I should have connected them to pin 1 of the mic jack.
    I removed the echo board entirely and replaced the audio wire back to pin 2.
    Maybe I sorted that cap out? Maybe I should replace that or at least remove it and test it?

    Any suggestions is appreciated.
     
  7. Night Stalker10

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    I’m not a big fan of Echo boards, but it looks like the Delta 2 is fairly simple to install. The red wire goes to 12 V of the power jack, the black wire goes to the chassis ground. Now these boards have two different grounds. They have a PCB ground, and a chassis ground. The two ground wires on mic in and out should have went to pin one on the mic jack. I believe the 3300 microfarad capacitor is the filter for the power supply. I’m not sure but maybe hooking the 3 ground wires together damaged the delta board?, and in turn the delta board did something to the audio amp??? Or maybe you put the ground leads to the positive side of C304? I believe pin 4 is the input to your audio amp. With the radio powered on, volume up, rf gain up, squelch down, and no antenna hooked up. You should be able to touch pin 4 with your finger and hear a buzzing sound if the audio amp and circuit is working.
     
  8. larbian

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    Thanks Night Stalker. Nothing when I touch pin 4, transmit, on the mic jack.
     
  9. Night Stalker10

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    After re-reading your post I just realize you said you used earbuds, and you heard a hum. Don’t use earbuds, that’s a good way to hurt your ears. Use a good working external speaker. I assume the hum you heard was when The radio was in PA mode? Also start with the mic gain turned way down, and as you’re speaking in the microphone slowly turn the mic gain up to see if you hear yourself talking through the external or internal speaker.

    Also when you checked the audio chip pins with your finger for a humming or buzzing noise, you may need to use an external speaker just in case the internal one went bad. You may also need to check for cold/broken solder joints, you can use a pencil and with the eraser end, push on the pins to see if you get any sound or not. If audio transformer T1 got shorted out, it would be real hot to the touch or the electrical looking tape around the transformer will be like shrink wrap, and be real tight against the wires. You may want to check, I believe it’s pins 9 and 10 for 10 to 12 Volts also.

    I know this may seem like over kill to some, but since we don’t know what exactly happened, and it’s pretty tough to troubleshoot over a forum. So it’s best to check out the basics.
     
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  10. larbian

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    Thanks again Night Stalker ......... Excuse my ignorance but when you say pin 4 I was touching pin 4 of the mic jack. Did you mean pin 4 of the ic chip? If so, how do the pin numbers run looking from the front of radio?

    Also, the pin on my external speaker didnt seam to fit all the way in. It's a 1/8 mono but it didnt lock in so I tried earbuds even though they were stereo.
     
  11. Night Stalker10

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    Yes, use your finger to touch the pins on the IC audio chip itself (the soldered side of the board). I couldn’t find a schematic on that audio chip, but I believe it’s actually pin number 1, that should have the supply voltage that could could be as low as 5 Volts. PIN number 10 should be the audio output pin. If you have an oscilloscope, it would be really easy to check the output pin to see if you have any modulation coming out the audio chip.

    I haven’t worked on a cobra 139, but if it’s like the other cobras,
    the number 1 pin should be the pin closest to the front of the radio.
     
    Last edited: Apr 24, 2019
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