company fired me for safety performance now can't get hired

Cool I will figure it out tried to forward with a comment one while ago privately but goofed it up somehow... I posted job ads and instantly got recruiters calling as well they call more than phone soliciters... don't need someone to tell me who might go good in one of my trucks... but they keep calling

 

Not sure where I was playing the victim... but whatever. I think that the thread speaks for itself. You came in on a thread that was inquiring about why drivers wouldn't 'pull the trigger' on being recruited, and the principal reason almost universally given was that recruiters are too often deceptive. I took the opportunity to point out where you were fitting that profile, in order to help you to understand the issue - deception by diversion *is* still deception. And yes, recruiters are not alone in this character flaw, but it is almost universally why people don't 'pull the trigger' on being recruited. I thought that, given the material at hand, I was pretty respectful about it - it's not an easy thing to do, so I made no claim to that effect - but if you don't want the help, that's fine. It's *way* easier to leave it alone.

Thanks for the 'no clue' comment, in the same sentence with 'no disrespect'. You're right, you phrased that astonishingly well, to make it not sound disrespectful at all. You have a real talent for phrasing things attractively, and you really should share it.

 

It really doesn't make sense for me to lie to a recruit.. because my paycheck is on the line.
When I say that for a student/ new driver as a recruiter I get paid $400 to $700 when the driver is hired.. it is Ike the driver hiring bonuses.. meaning, that commission is paid out in increments over a 6 month to 1 year period..

So, I lie to a driver to get him to go to a company.. at orientation when they go over pay and it is less than what I say.. if he leaves.. I get zero.. even though I put hours of work going through applications to find him.. if he gets hired I get $100 to $200 of the $400 to $700 the rest comes in payments over the year as the driver stays with the company.. so his chances of staying and me collecting my full pay is greatly reduced if I lied to get him there..

Further more.. companies keeps track of a recruiters results and stats.. if a high percentage of the recruits I send them stay less than a year... while another recruiter has a much smaller percentage of recruits leave in the first years.. then the company will use the recruiter with the better stats..

So, considering the thousands of dollars and time I paid for my bachelors degree, all the computer and application tracking software I needed, as well as putting in a solid year and a half building up to a good steady paycheck.. why would I risk all of that to collect a a couple hundred dollars for lieing to a recruit to get them to go to the company they called to see if they could driver for... when I could sell one of my guitars for more money..

 

I'm not saying that you do. I don't actually know you, to assess you, personally. I will point out that the direct lie is only one of a long line of types of deception, and that few people feel any better about being deceived, just because they were not specifically lied to.

You illustrated a technique for being truthful, but deceptive, and I'm merely highlighting that the use of this technique, while likely effective (and a little impressive, in a black-hat social engineering sort of way), is still the sort of thing that many drivers find distasteful about recruiters. The technique works as well on drivers as carriers, and we also have skin in the game - jumping from one carrier to another, for whatever reason, doesn't make us look good, either.

This is not a personal criticism. It is a professional one, yes, but aimed at the profession as a whole, not you in particular. The example involved you, because you illustrated it, but I'm pretty sure that the difference in ethical perspectives is a necessary one, in order for you to be effective at what you do - as you yourself pointed out, when you described the reasons for using the 'sandwich' technique to manipulate a target's perceptive focus. Nevertheless, the difference in ethical perspectives is still a key reason for the way that drivers react to recruiters... which was the original question in that other thread. I would have quoted it to that thread, but I didn't see any option to transfer quotes across threads - and I was pretty sure that you'd still see it, here.

And it is a constructive criticism, in that your awareness of the issue, enables you (and other recruiters for whom this may be a more apparent problem) to adapt. I'm not merely accusing you (or anyone else, specifically) of deception, or knowing nothing about the subject at hand, and leaving it at that - I'm offering a path to improvement, for those who need or want it. Sadly, it is sometimes necessary to take an honest, possibly painful look at what we may be doing wrong, in order to do better. Most people plateau at the level of performance where they cease to be able to take and benefit from constructive criticism - or when those around them cease to be willing to honestly offer it.