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Company requires 2 log books!

Discussion in 'Trucking Industry Regulations' started by driv2survive, Nov 18, 2011.

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  1. Nov 18, 2011 #1
    driv2survive

    driv2survive Bobtail Member

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    I work for a company that requires us to use the electronic log and keep a paper log. Is this a FMCSA violation?

    The reason I ask, another driver claims he was ticketed by Dot $442 for having two logs.

    In case it matters:
    • These are local drives under 100 mile radius.
    • We are payed by the hour and not by the mile.
    • Some of the trips are not more than 10 miles apart.
     
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  3. Nov 18, 2011 #2
    Allow Me.

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    How are you logging your usual normal day on paper ?
     
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  4. Nov 18, 2011 #3
    neal79

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    I'm no expert but sounds to me like if you do not cross state lines you do not need logbooks only time cards. I do know when I switched to elogs I was told to keep both for 8 days to let the elogs get caught up on my 70. Would they have been requested I only would have provided the paper logs during that time just to be safe.
     
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  5. Nov 18, 2011 #4
    123456

    123456 Road Train Member

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    Somebody should write a book,

    containing all these rulz !!!!!!!!!!!






















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  7. Nov 18, 2011 #5
    Meltom

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    Any idea where I can get a book like that?
     
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  8. Nov 18, 2011 #6
    driv2survive

    driv2survive Bobtail Member

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    The paper log is recorded the same way as any other trucker...15 minute intervals.

    I do know that FMCSA rule 395.1 exempts us even keeping a log book since we do not go over 100 mile air radius of "work reporting locations".

    So, if the company requires us to keep 2 logs (the electronic and the paper); is this a violation, even though the DOT does not even require us to keep a log?

    According to my co-worker; he is quitting because they refused to pay his fine for having 2 logs (electronic and paper) and because he has a violation now on his DAC report.
     
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  9. Nov 18, 2011 #7
    Saienga

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    The rules do say that you have to be in possession of paper logs in case your elogs go down, but actually logging on paper and elogs at the same time isn't necessary (unless you're in the above mentioned situation of making the switch from all paper to electronic).

    @ Meltom: Not sure if serious...
     
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  10. Nov 18, 2011 #8
    dieselbear

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    If that is the way the carrier tracks hours, then a log book is required. I get local dump trucks all the time saying they are local, but the company does not keep records as required for the short haul exemption. The last three dumps I have had in a wreck were quite surprised when I show up to check paperwork after a collision.
     
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  11. Nov 18, 2011 #9
    lostNfound

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    He's the safety director of his company...



















    so of course he is serious.












    :biggrin_2559:
     
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  12. Nov 18, 2011 #10
    CondoCruiser

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    Your buddy is either lying or he needs to fight it. Violations by inspection go on your CSA2010 report, not your DAC. DAC info is compiled from the company making a report. It's a subscription service.

    Local driving, it's up to the company. Either you keep a time book or you log. Many times a local company will have one driver go out of the circle, so they make everyone log.
     
    CondoCruiser, Nov 18, 2011
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