Controlled, Stab, Snub, Threshold braking

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  1. lostcauz

    lostcauz Bobtail Member

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    My experience has been the same. I agree 100%.
     
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  3. double yellow

    double yellow Road Train Member

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    No they won't -- not if you are traveling at/below the weight specific speed (those yellow warning signs that, like you pointed out, you are legally free to ignore). The WSS is the speed at which you can go downhill -- without an engine brake -- and then make an emergency stop at the bottom all while keeping your brakes under 500F. Odor occurs at 550F and smoke at 850F.

    I've personally verified it -- at 80,000 lbs and 18mph with no engine brake, my brake temps stay below 300F & don't smell.

    No, they are very different. Hence this thread. If you said you were stab braking downhill, most people would know what you are talking about, but some may not. Just like some may assume you put gasoline in your tank if you "stop to get gas."

    No driver input will change the first lurch, but a driver going from 40psi to 39psi may not have a 2nd lurch. If they do, going from 39 to 38 may prevent the 3rd... A lurchless "threshold" stop happens in a shorter distance than mashing the brake and letting the rudimentary ABS system on class 8 trucks do its thing (on modern cars with hydraulic brakes the ABS system is much, much faster and only a world-class driver can out-stop it).

    Those half your age can still hear the air cycling out of the ABS valves when actuated.

     
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  4. KMac

    KMac Road Train Member

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    Whatever gets you down the hill in one piece. This is from a lawyer who sues truck drivers and truck companies. You can bet the lawyers keep up with the recommended methods so they can know where to attack.

    DECELERATION AND BRAKING TECHNIQUE
    The Commercial Driver’s License (CDL) manual governs recommended braking techniques for drivers operating trucks and other commercial vehicles. When first published, the manual advocated light and steady break application when descending steep grades. Persuasive research by the University of Michigan now suggests that “snub” braking, which requires harder brake application, is preferable for the purpose of decelerating and stopping. Snub braking is characterized by:

    Choosing the correct gear
    Allowing truck to accelerate
    Reaching maximum safe speed
    Braking to slow truck down 5 mph
    Repeating process as truck descends hill
    Distributing energy among all working brakes
    Maintaining pneumatic balance at all wheel ends
    Because overheating inflicts the most damage to brakes, the old theory of light and steady braking was intended to reduce the amount of heat energy required to slow down trucks. But the manner of braking does not affect the amount of heat produced. In fact, even distribution among the entire braking system produces cooler brakes. Snub braking also eliminates the dangerous imbalance of pressure between relay valves in the tractor drive axles and trailer axles"
    www.atlantapersonalinjurylawyer.pro/improper-braking-technique.html
     
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  5. KMac

    KMac Road Train Member

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    Were you using your Jake?
     
  6. Lepton1

    Lepton1 Road Train Member

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    Yes.

    Varying from low to high, depending on the grade.
     
  7. GasHauler

    GasHauler Master FMCSA Interpreter

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    Where do you find these drivers? There's a bunch of us here that haul gasoline in trucks that weight just over 105,000lbs and I can assure you there is nothing about going down a grade in these trucks that a driver has an attitude that he or she knows it all. Of course we all know how each other drives since we work so closely with each other. When I come up to any grade say the grade that goes down into Laughlin NV (163) I make positively sure all my brakes are working properly. I turn down the CB and turn the FM radio off. I crack both the drivers and passengers window so I can hear and smell better.

    Then once I start down I go very slow with a jake. I maybe use the foot pedal once or twice. My senses are keen and I'm fully prepared to stop if there's a rock slide or any other hazards. Once I come off the grade and going into town I sometimes pass the OTR guys that have smoke pouring off their axles. Not all but a few that either have no experience or common sense and from states that have no grades. I don't even stop (forbidden) so I don't know if they're one of those drivers that know it all besides I don't think they like my laughing. Even before that stretch of highway was a divided into a 4 lane road and under construction I still came off with no smoke. There's no recommended truck speed there so you have to know what you're doing. It's deceiving with no truck escape ramp like the one on the other side in AZ. Everyone of the drivers I worked with knew there was always something to learn and if someone did pick-up a bit of information it would get passed around. But it seems to me you do not have that quality to stay open minded and know you'll never know everything, not even close. Good luck.
     
  8. Interplanet Janet

    Interplanet Janet Light Load Member

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    I guess I'm a "snub" enthusiast. But, being from Hawaii I've always called it "feathering" the brakes. Perhaps the terminology has to do with your region. BTW, we don't give a #### what they call it in California...
     
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    Ebola Guy Heavy Load Member

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    You say tomato, I say tomah-to. Does it really matter?
     
  10. Interplanet Janet

    Interplanet Janet Light Load Member

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    Yah, cuz we say tomatoe, and you say tomato! Go pound cheese silly boy...
     
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  11. KMac

    KMac Road Train Member

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    Duplicate post
     
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