Cost of getting in front

Discussion in 'Experienced Truckers' Advice' started by Assured, Jun 12, 2024.

  1. Siinman

    Siinman Road Train Member

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    You have a good thought process for getting better MPG's. The best way for you to kind of figure it out would be to run some test of your own if you have a dedicated run.

    Your total average speed is gonna be the key to the time saved and money spent for passing. Lots of people do not understand this concept.

    I like to drive whatever speed it takes to make it to delivery and also what all is lined up for the week. I tend to drive 57-67 normally. 67 is my sweet spot to stay at if I can. I get good MPG's and stay away from most traffic bunches.

    Now if I run into some I will tend to run faster to get ahead of them and slow back to 67. If I am running 57 I normally do not have that problem but have to stay in the right lane and tend to have more issues on slowing down for oncoming traffic if in the city areas. Slower is better MPG's and less maintenance cost.

    Faster keeps me engaged and enjoy the drive more but less MPG's and more maintenance cost over time. If someone is a decent driver they will see that cluster of traffic and gradually get up to speed and not mash the peddle to the floor at last second to get around them.
     
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  3. Powder Joints

    Powder Joints Subjective Prognosticator

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    Over the years I have heard every reason in the books why drivers drive agressively, fact is at the end of the day most cover fewer miles, and make less at the end of the year.
    I worked piece work mileage for Valley Bulk for a large number of years and at the end of the year (a driver we'll call Barbara) never drove over the speed limits, was always on time with her loads, adn averaged just as much if not more than most of the HotShot Hammer Down Drivers, if you add in the time she didn't spend getting tickets, it made it a ll a plus.
     
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  4. kylefitzy

    kylefitzy Road Train Member

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    Why would they speed up to pass a slower line of trucks to slow back down and get in line? I’m passing everyone running 45 in a 65 and getting on down the road. Enjoy your Sunday drive.
     
  5. Assured

    Assured Light Load Member

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    I know about how defensive driving affects MPGs. I keep it in mind as it does affect how viable my job is in down markets, and what sort of additional pay I might get, should I get the opportunity to manage my own fuel budget.

    I tend to run a lot more efficiently when other drivers show up, as a side-effect of defensive driving: The primary concern is chain-reaction collisions (from other drivers forcing their way out in front while I got a convoy of tailgaters in the rear - which is basically a given almost anywhere due to the public's failure or refusal to abide by certain laws that are never enforced). The hazard is managed through pre-emptive speed reduction based on anticipated and predicted actions of other drivers on the road (about a 97% reduction in near-misses versus what I was getting when doing speed limits & following distance naively).

    About the only common situation where it causes me to lose MPGs occurs in mountains - have to brake a lot on downgrades to maintain distance from the usual suspects.


    As far as timing goes, stops are what causes large delays. Specifically, truck stops. It takes a lot of time running slow to match the delay caused by one unnecessary or poorly planned trip to a roller-dog vendor.
     
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  6. Assured

    Assured Light Load Member

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    Probably not paying attention, and not seeing anything but the back-side of whoever they're tailgating. Enjoy your race. You have lovely opponents.
     
  7. Sirscrapntruckalot

    Sirscrapntruckalot Road Train Member

    You can say what you want about politics and religion, but leave the roller grill out of it! It's not the roller grills fault people can't tell food on it is bad. "Oh look that hot dog has more wrinkles then the Golden Girls, and is one step off from being ash...lets buy it!".

    Roller Grills Matter!

    #RGM!

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  8. PaulMinternational

    PaulMinternational Road Train Member

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    Problem is most times there is nothing holding up the slow driver. They are just going slow and they are being g shadowed by the driver in the other lane for miles not allowing a smooth predictable pass.
     
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  9. Assured

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    If all it takes is one driver maintaining a safe following distance to create confusion, then it suggests inattentiveness on the part of the passing drivers.

    Solution is to remain in the passing lane until you can clear them both. Or, if the picture was not *clear to begin with, then the solution is to remain at a safe distance back and wait it out.

    (*) I can only assume that you, like all professional drivers, only initiate a pass after careful observation from a safe following distance, ensure that the slower vehicle is moving substantially below the speed limit (or speed safe for the conditions), ensure that you have a clear opening out in front of the slower vehicle to target, ensure that the left lane is open and doesn't have any major surprises on the way, then safely move over into the left lane, accelerate to a reasonable and legal passing speed, remain in that lane until there is enough space between the slow vehicle and you for the slow vehicle to have a safe following distance when you get back over, then safely get back over -- and that if there are any problems or hazards that would interfere with the pass or render it illegal, that you forget about it and remain at a safe distance.
     
  10. PaulMinternational

    PaulMinternational Road Train Member

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    How many states must I be patient for?

    Since your post was started I watched people hog lanes as described for some very prolonged periods and watched people get as you describe aggressive with thier passes, not just truck drivers but car drivers as well.
    Now like you I take issue with the driver that comes up on someone while not paying attention and forces thier way over. Yes they should have been paying attention and made the pass without causing disruption.
    At the same time however that driver that won’t even drive close to a steady speed, brakes way before closing on anything, runs just off the other vehicle leaving no room to pass and the other driver that knows they are there and make no effort on either part to open that gap basically force those others to try and come up on you in an attempt to let you know your holding up others.
    Do some not look ahead? Yes but I see way more of this crap and even more of the stupid prick that won’t leave off the pedal to let them finish the pass. You say be patient and that is sometimes true but Sometimes it’s the one being passed that needs to exorcise patients and drop off the pedal to let them finish the pass. After all it’s you by description that isn’t being pressed for a delivery or had some bad luck and is now pushing the clock.

    This week I saw one driver as you described pushing it only to find the guy in front was braking for a real reason. The sad thing is I lost count of how many I witnessed just trying to get bye twiddle D and twiddle dumb.

    Someone posted about standing and observing the pack from the roadside and how they described that the congested traffic isn’t always constant but rather clusters of. This is a good observation and something that I did with new drivers from the top of the mountain looking down on the highway many times.
    It’s amazing how what some drivers call safe can cause such congestion but those in that clear area are running smooth and clear with no congestion around them.
     
  11. Assured

    Assured Light Load Member

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    I recommend taking an unlimited supply of patience with you at all time while driving. If you do encounter someone who is making it impossible to pass without any apparent reason, it may be better to pull over somewhere safe, take care of any other tasks you may have on hand (or even stop for a break/meal), let the problem move down the road a bit, then continue (both to make better use of your drive time, and, if the actual issue is road rage, you're a bit less likely to be the one poking the hornet's nest).

    Also do bear in mind, that there are an unlimited number of other drivers like you who also want that slower driver to let off the pedal for a bit to allow passing moves to complete. And there are an awful lot of drivers out there who don't bother either getting up to speed or completing a pass before jumping back out in front of said slower driver (forcing additional speed reductions if said driver is attempting to stay safe).

    Oh, and the simple courtesy of backing off a bit is all it takes to convince an entire pack that it is time to pass.
     
    Last edited: Jun 15, 2024
    Reason for edit: Add a detail about courtesy
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