Cost of getting in front

Discussion in 'Experienced Truckers' Advice' started by Assured, Jun 12, 2024.

  1. gentleroger

    gentleroger Road Train Member

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    Think a line of 4 trucks doing 60 and I cam do 65, speed limit is 70. If I just pass all 4 at once, I'm going to have a long line of impatient cars stacked up behind me. I will find a nice big gap, pass the first two and then slide back right and let traffic clear and then hop back out for the last two.

    I did this Tuesday night. While I could have waited for a large enough gap to get all 4 at once, doing so would have meant my 11 running out before making delivery. When I shut down I had 5 minutes left on the 11. If I hadn't driven assertively that day I would have had to get up early to deliver on time, then sit and twiddling my thumbs waiting for my pick up appointment.

    Conversely, today in the same scenario I just sat at 60 mph for the last two hours into town because the 10 minutes saved wasn't going to get me anything.
     
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  3. FloridaRetired

    FloridaRetired Medium Load Member

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    You should realize that drivers are not robots to follow some normalized scheme of driving habits which goes against their human instincts. If a driver is restricted to how they must behave at such a micro level, their level of happiness at work will plummet down and they will go to work for someone else. Successful companies retain their drivers by keeping them happy. In exchange they have confidence they will get the job done. That's the most important part. They want them to be punctual, courteous at customers, taking care of equipment and safe. Unless there's a huge deviation from an average mpg at the fleet level, that is a secondary issue.

    Maybe these laboratory level ideas will find implementation once the autonomous trucks are ready to go and the human - capricious element is out of the equation. Before then, the key element of successful trucking will always be found on the revenue side.
     
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  4. Assured

    Assured Light Load Member

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    Are people actually happy with the situation on the road and operating on what comes by way of instinct? 'Cause every time I look into it, what I find is that there are an awful lot of folks despise the situation and say they'd much rather drive safely, but end up compromising and driving in an unsafe and illegal manner so as to avoid having other drivers perform much more dangerous stunts to get ahead (such as cutting off the vehicle with a safe following distance the instant a 10 foot gap opens up). How about if the motivation behind 20+ trucks flying by bumper-to-bumper, in rush-hour traffic, at speeds in excess of the speed limit is not so much a desire for speed as it is the desire not to not to be the guy who can't seem to deliver on time?
     
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  5. FloridaRetired

    FloridaRetired Medium Load Member

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    Things like telling drivers when they can pass or not, when and where they can break or not, governing their speed, face recording cameras and whatever else they can come up with, are all things that a normal person has no choice but to put up with. It is yet to be determined how they contribute to the overall safety but while such a micro managing may be sustainable for a plant worker, in OTR life they can surely wear down a person who is invigilated and controlled 24/7 and that person may be all right on HOS but is he safe: fatigue wise and mentally or is he not a ticking bomb?
     
  6. NightWind

    NightWind Road Train Member

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    Frankly Assured sounds more like an insurance or company safety compliance investigator than an actual driver but hey what do I know.
     
  7. Assured

    Assured Light Load Member

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    I think if I were involved in that, this forum and discussion would be a total waste of time. It would be easy enough just to point a few cameras at the highway and prove whatever I want about whoever is out driving (or just ask the company for everything the truck sensors and cameras are picking up, and not just what gets it to squawk and throw brakes on for).

    A better conspiracy theory would be to suggest I am working for one of those lawyers [offering services to those who ram illegally parked trucks while out drunk driving] and I am trying to convince people to post comments on the Internet which imply some sort of negligence. But, people do post plenty enough material all on their own, so a simple data mining operation would suffice for that purpose. Also with regard to inducement, it would be easier to join my mark in dunking on whoever got under his skin.

    Edit for further consideration: Safety & compliance investigators probably have a few good reasons to keep professional commentary limited in scope and either reduced to either lawyer-approved pep talk or off the Internet entirely: Guess what happens when the federal investigators want information about past conduct and habits of some random Super-Trucker.
     
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  8. NightWind

    NightWind Road Train Member

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    What's your purpose on here? Do you need some advice help, getting a job, have a mechanical issue that has you stumped? Or just expressing your thoughts? Please enlighten us
     
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  9. Assured

    Assured Light Load Member

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    The topic says I am curious about how a specific [and common] aggressive maneuver on the road affects operational costs. It may well be the case I actually wanted to receive an informed answer to a technical question.

    One could just as easily (and more appropriately) ask what everyone else is doing on this thread, seeing as only there was only one response which was actually on topic.
     
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  10. MACK E-6

    MACK E-6 Moderator Staff Member

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    That’s fine... in a perfect world.

    Only problem is in the real world there’s always “that guy” who pokes along until the truck appears in his left mirror which usually is his cue to suddenly floor it.
     
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  11. gentleroger

    gentleroger Road Train Member

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    For me, it's usually once my trailer starts passing their window and they see the orange. At which my +5 mph differential becomes a -1 mph.
     
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