Cr england should be shutting it's schools

ya ok
the will keep any money you have coming etc......and I would bet at some point those miles will just kinda dry up

 

Their actual speech was in a power point presentation.It showed how company X might pay $.40 a mile they would only be likely to get 2300 miles a week for a gross of $920.00 were as England at the time was starting their company guy's at $.28(I think it's been awhile) but that England would "give them"(At this point I started to leave.Give them?) an average for 3285 miles a week.So you see we are just as good as them

That and they had this guy named Proctor.Everyone had to be interviewed by him.He was supposedly some deep cover spy retiree or something that could "break you" into admitting omissions on your app.He was the reason I had to get involved with DAC.But that is for another story.



I do have a question though?You state they were keeping you close to the house for two weeks in preparation for home time.A team can cover 3800 miles in about 3 and a half days why keep you close for two weeks,and if it takes two weeks before your home time how long do you stay out?

I am just curious because my spoiled rear end is at the house most weekends and I can not fathom staying out beyond two weeks.

Of course I only average about 2850 a week solo.

 

Finally, a little bit of honesty....

I know it sounds confusing but we only get one paycheck... I basically work for my wife since her name is what's on the lease. But anyway, when I say we get a check for any guvn amount of money, it gets split down the middle basically, but in our case, since we're married, its all considered both of ours anyway.

I know that amount I gave earlier didnt sound like much meaning that if all that was left, we'd each get 250 bucks for that week; but mond you, that was only for 3800 miles which for a team, aint much and we realize that. But whenever we arent waiting for a particular load to wherever our hometime destination is, we are capable of puttin in atleast 5500 miles in a week which after all is taken out leaves both of us with about 750 bucks a week, each.

You know, Ive heard this a couple of times. But to clear the air, I only understand part of your post. Are you saying that once our lease is nearing its end, our miles are going to start to go down?

Maybe I'll go ahead and take a stab at thinking I know what the first part of your reply is saying...

Whether or not you keep the truck for part of or the full length of your lease, when you turn it in, they will freeze your accounts for 45 days.. maintenence fund, tax reserve, ect, ect. From what we were told, that is to make sure that if you owe them anything, or if the truck needed any repairs, they would use that to fix it. If everything checked out, you got that money back.

Hmm, we didnt see or hear anything like that when we attended the school... Maybe they done away with it for good reason.

I dont think his name was Proctor, but there was a guy there that was sposed to "see through our lies" if we had any. But his main objective was to see how we reacted when he asked if we've ever been convicted of any crimes, had any accidents, soeeding tickets and such.

They were trying to keep us in that area because supposedly its the wrong time of the year to be able to get loads out of anywhere. We have family that we are wanting to spend time with but since like everybody else, they have to work during the week which is why we were wanting half of our hometime to include a full weekend. We had a load goin to Denver like two days before we were sposed to spend our hometime and they were gonna try to find us a swap to get us goin back the way we came but that didnt happen. So then we had to reschedule. Its a log drawn out story that you prolly dont wanna read but all in all, if we arent trying to get hometime, our dm usually keeps us pretty busy.

We try to take hometime somewhere about every month to month and a half but we dont complain when we have to stay out longer. I mean after all, we are truckdrivers now and the name of the game is drive. If you aint rollin, you aint makin a paycheck.....

 

Using your numbers of 5500 miles a week when really running, and taking home 750 each for the week.
That is company driver pay.
2750 miles a week is a decent week for a med haul company like I drive for.
.40x 2750= 1100, which after taxes, health insurance etc, is about 850 for the week.
Also, when you are giving your numbers, is that after holding out 16% of your gross for your quarterly taxes?
That is about what quarterlys add up too, not 16% of net, 16% of gross.

 

why on gods green earth would you ever agree to those terms? I can go down the road to the peterbilt dealer and get a used 379 with a c15 cat and 13 sp, o/o specs for 35kish. The real sad thing is, I wouldnt pay anything close to what your paying, 2032$ a month just truck payments. I never would lease anything ever...best of luck to you though.

 

Well, that depends on what company yer talkin about. When we were company drivers, the checks that had a few miles on them that we got paid for didn't hurt as bad cause we didn't have all these expenses to pay for. We were strictly gettin paid 17 cents a mile to drive their truck regardless whether our check had a thousand miles on it or 5000. Now with us leasing, the only time we make a significant amount more is when we get weekly checks with 5000 or more miles.

Again, nobody ever expected England or even swift, werner, Schneider or covenant to name a few to have competitive wages as some of these other, smaller companies or even the one you work for. Besides, aren't a lot of companies that pay the big bucks are the ones that won't even look at your application unless you have a minimum of 2 to 5 years experience? My wife and I only have less than a year. Maybe its just me, but I think englands pay is a lot better than what most people give them credit for since a lot of their drivers are ones with less than 2 to 5 years bein on the road.

Yep, those numbers are after every thing is taken out. Plus, we have 20% taken out not 16 that goes into our tax reserve. It may be a bit excessive but its always better to have more in there than not enough so we don't have to cough up the extra money I'd what we have in there isn't enough to cover it. Plus, its our money as well. Regardless how much we have put in there, we can do whatever we want with it as long as when its time to pay taxes, there's enough to cover it.

All in all, even tho these numbers I've shared with you guys may seem a little low even for an IC, but keep in mind, this is like our only option considering we don't have the money, nor the credit to go out and purchase/finance a brand new truck and trailer and be able to pocket all or at least more of the earnings. Think about it, we may be iC's, but we have to basically rent this truck from England. You can't expect to make a whole helluva lot if your paying rental fees among all the other stuff if you can't afford your own truck.

 

Did you go to the Spartanburg school?
I remember the Proctor guy from there...That interview was a joke!
I started out there a long time ago, ran team for awhile, then left for a better job.
My time there was probably easier than most others, because we ran a dedicated account and we were left alone since we were always early on our schedule.
We ran 5 days a week and had every weekend off (At home)...A pretty good gig for 2 new drivers!
Not defending them at all, as I heard all of the same stories many years ago, even talked my co driver out of leasing. (This is when the lease program was just beginning) I knew it was a bad way to go even then. Guess it is much worse now...

 

yes trust me they will find a way that you owe if that trucks in perfect shape when it gets to there shop it won't be they will find a way to hold onto your money
When I turned my lease trucks in new tires new brakes literally 7 miles on them well guess they put all the same crap on again so they could find a way to keep my 20grand now just to make sure this was not England but it probably does not matter whos name is on the door as 95% play the game the same way

 

What is "significant" - exactly?

You don't even have the experience to know what is "substantial" - much less post about it in any credible way ...

BTW 17cpm is probably the lowest of the low, even for a newb, even at a bottom feeder

That's why you don't lease until you've had those years on the road, you run company.

And since you've never worked for anyone, how can you post about swift, werner, Schneider or covenant? - you just don't know ...

When is the next time you need to make a tax payment?

Do you even know?

At 5000mpw ... do you even have any idea what your estimated tax payment is going to be?

Since your new - you don't even have a clue that:
More Miles = More Taxes

And yet you just spout clueless banter and company rhetoric, until the day you find yourself bankrupt because of a tax bill in the tens of thousands.

I got news for you ... you are not an Independent Contractor.

Nor do you even know what the term means ...

Quick definition ... "IC's" can book their own loads, run the family furniture if they wanted, relocated to a better freight zone, take a month off, and basically run freight at the rates they themselves set - and don't need permission from anyone to do it - so now you know.

You need to "think about it" - and please, don't take my word for it ...

Before you go off cheer leading anymore senseless garbage on the thread - go find yourself a good accountant - and a lawyer (not company referred) ... then have them explain it to you.

 

Zentrucking, I could not have said that better myself!
These fleece operators that think they're anything but a company driver are a sad and pathetic bunch!
It's kind of funny watchin' them thrash around in their ignorance though.