Cracked frame under front spring hanger kwt800

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  1. JakeBrakeChampion

    JakeBrakeChampion Light Load Member

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    More problems. I got out to water the tires yesterday and looked at the front springs and noticed the frame was cracking verticly. The crack appears to have started under the spring hanger at the bottom bolt that bolts to the flange on the frame. Funny thing is the frame is doubled right to the rear of the spring hanger! Anyways it cracked where it only has a single frame. So what caused it? Well I juyst replaced motor mounts which are only an inch or 2 right of the hangers. Got down in some mud the other day grossing 85k and was givin it hell to keep going even down in Low Low reverse All that torque from the n14 500hp? Or the fact that the spring hangers there caused it? Or a few loads I did gross 95k just to much weight? Anyways current plans to fix the frame are.. "V" the crack and fill it and grind it flush. Cover it in 1/4 steel from the end of the double frame stright to the front on the frame so about 5 feet. Only thing is to put in the 1/4 steel we will have to mill the hangers 1/4 inch to accomidate the new steel. Its impossible to work from the inside of the frame. So this is the current plan sound like an ok one? Will it add to the strength of the frame? Btw 95 KW t800 quad axle dump. 20k front end
     
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  3. CondoCruiser

    CondoCruiser The Legend

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    Metal will stress with time. Before you weld it, drill a 1/8"-1/4" hole at the end of the crack. That will prevent it from spreading further.
    I would clean it up and grind you a channel like you said and run atleast 3 passes. I wouldn't grind it flush. Just clean it up and paint it.
    A plate would make it stronger, but it's a rust trap. Put it on the back side if you can. Protect your tires from the schlag if you leave it on. ;)
     
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  4. 112racing

    112racing Road Train Member

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    disconnect the batteries before welding if it's electronic
     
  5. Pablo-UA

    Pablo-UA Road Train Member

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    It is stupid. Disconnected batteries increase risk of damage of electronic components with welding. Yep, you save batteries, but they are cheapper any electronic part
     
  6. Scalemaster

    Scalemaster Heavy Load Member

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    Many C-channel frames cannot be welded. There is often a tag on the frame, or sometimes it is stamped right into the frame web.

    They are heat treated, and any welding further weakens the steel.
     
  7. Pablo-UA

    Pablo-UA Road Train Member

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    Any manufacter publish manuals about frame repare and modifing. Welded frames are rare, they are usually on European trailers ore on some military vehicles (like Russian UAZ), and made with welding frames much heavier but more tought, especially on torsion. But they use different steel for welded frames, steel like used for car substructure ore European cab susbstructure, but thick, 6/8/10/12/15 mm!!! Semitrucktor frames are made of C-channels with riviets ore frame bolts and will be weaken in points of welding so the only way is to use pices of steel secured with riviets. But it is not easy job if you wanna get really good frame, look for sertified frame workshop. If frame is bent never use "fire wrench" to heat it. Inductive heaters may be used only, else you will burn carbon out and steel will be like soft iron.
     
  8. AUSSIE DAVE

    AUSSIE DAVE Road Train Member

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    The frame can be welded, you need to pre-heat to 150 degrees C and post-heat to about 400degrees C. then wrap area with insulation and let it cool down overnight. best practise is to also install a second section of chassis rail that is about 18 inch to 24 inch long. (like double chassis) . Bolt the extra section in and bolt on verticle section not on horizontials/flange, dont weld it in.
     
  9. K-D

    K-D Bobtail Member

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    Not an uncommon problem on KW. I had to fix my 96 and my brothers 01,these were 900L's V it out weld it up and put an insert on the inside.

    I didn't do any pre or post heating and I did mine over a year ago.

    If mine cracks again i'm going to see if the hangers from a later model will work they are bigger and spread the load better.
     
  10. picaso

    picaso Light Load Member

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    i might be able to help here. i was an x-ray welder for 14 years in between my 2 tours of duty as a truck driver. groove it out and make sure it`s clean. weld both sides, put the ground as close to your work as you can. you do need to pre heat it as far as stress relieving it. ( slow cool down) without the proper equipment you`re s.o.l. wrapping it in insulation is a waste of time. weld it, grind it and bolt a piece of plate over it and you`ll never have to worry about that spot again.
     
  11. 98989

    98989 Road Train Member

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    never heard that someone manage to crack frame on front axle

    i can see it sometimes near rear end on construction trucks with T ride leaf springs so very hard suspension while rear end is overloaded for more than 40-50% than it is rated and used on hard terrain


    i would consider to make reinforcements (twin frame) at place where it was cracked ....
     
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