Crap! Positive U.A.!

Discussion in 'Questions From New Drivers' started by BigRedRider, Jul 25, 2010.

  1. Injun

    Injun Road Train Member

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    Federal law is behind the times with regard to the general majority opinion of marijuana. That said, there are a number of legally prescribed substances that a truck driver may not use simply because we perform "safety sensitive functions" on a daily basis. As for marijuana, I could give a crap less what you do on your own time. However, there is no way to show when the pot was ingested because the metabolites stay in the body for an extended period of time. Therefore, you can say you smoked a doobie a week ago, it shows up in your UA. Or you could have just taken a few tokes an hour ago and the same amount will show up.

    To the crybaby who thinks pot is the only answer to his pain. I have a degenerative and often very painful form of arthritis that will never go away, will never improve and will progress. There has not been a lot of study done on this form of arthritis because it's not well known and only about a half million people in the US have it in varying degrees. I have a doctor who listens to me. He does not just prescribe something because it's what I want. He will do a little research to see what can be done and he thinks outside the generally accepted practices of doing things. And he has found a pain program that makes my arthritis at least tolerable. I have more pain free days now than at any other time I can remember since my diagnosis.

    Here it is: Anti-inflamatory Meloxicam 15mg once daily, a higher dose than is normally prescribed, but still safe; coupled with buproprion (Wellbutrin, an anti-depressant) 150 mg also once daily, a lower dose than is generally prescribed. Seems kind of odd, but here's the reasoning: Pain compounds on itself and creates a cycle if not treated early and aggressively with the addition of going after the source of the pain. Hence, the anti-inflamatory, to quiet the joints. The cycle of pain is very difficult to break sometimes, so the brain has to be "jolted" into realizing it does not have to keep firing those receptors, thus, an antidepressant. (By the way, self-pay for these medications...that means no insurance...adds up to about $30/month.)

    Pot had been suggested to me and I come from the state of Oregon, where its development has become a science. I never seriously considered it because my entire working career has been in safety and judgment sensitive positions. I did not want my brain addled by THC. Marijuana is not an analgesic (pain killer) in the sense that it goes after the pain receptors themselves. Neither is it an anti-depressant or in any way alters the cycle of symptoms associated with PTSD. It merely gives the user a sense of calm and well-being that is temporary in nature and masks the root of the problem. It does not fight the source of the pain. All it does is addle your brain enough that you do not register the pain and you "forget" about the source of your PTSD for a while. It does not solve the problem.

    Do I still have pain? Of course I do. I have to move and do things just a little differently than others do. I have to pay very close attention to body mechanics. Sometimes I have to wake up early because I know by the weather and how tired I was when I went to bed that I will have a hard time getting moving in the morning. But it does not prevent me from doing my job.

    All you have said is "chronic pain" without any clue as to the source of that pain. Fibromyalgia? Arthritis? Injury? or Psychosomatic? Today, there are effective treatments for all of this that does not involve mind-altering drugs that are barely legal in a few states because a bunch of potheads actually remembered where they put the petition signatures and got them turned in on time. Medical marijuana is an excuse to get stoned. Again, I don't care what you do on your own time, but don't waste mine with something as lame as that. At least be honest about it.

    And for Pete's sake, if you intend on getting into this industry, get your own private UA done (they can be purchased at most drug stores) and keep trying until you pee clean. But don't wait until you are in school and find out via a DOT UA you are still dirty. It is the kiss of death for entry into many companies today. Perhaps you will find a log truck outfit in Washington you can drive for that doesn't test their drivers.
     
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  3. lego1970

    lego1970 Medium Load Member

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    Sorry, I was directing my statement to the OP. I hadn't really read your responses until now.
     
  4. phroziac

    phroziac Road Train Member

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    Injun, why call the op a crybaby? sure doesnt seem like one to me..
     
  5. small_time 74

    small_time 74 Bobtail Member

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    thats why he is out of shape lol
     
  6. Injun

    Injun Road Train Member

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    Because he is whining about "needing" to get high, then complaining about current DOT standard and doesn't want anyone to get irritated when he makes excuses for his choice of "medication."

    He's not the only person in the world with pain issues and PTSD. Just ask any veteran from Vietnam to Afghanistan, or most emergency responders, for that matter. We get on with our lives and move forward, rather than smoke dope and ponder the floorboards. It's good he's trying to get past it, but buying into the whole "cure-all" herb BS is just a ruse to get high.

    I get irritated when someone has to come up with some lame excuse rather than just be honest about it. You want to get high? Knock yourself out. Just stop wasting my time with whiny excuses for it. And make sure you're clean before you get on the road with me. A little more research would have saved him a lot of time and money, in that he could have self-tested before ever submitting to a DOT test that will stay on his record from now until eternity.
     
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  7. Roadmedic

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    I deal with constant pain as well. I would never consider the choice of using pot.
     
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  8. phroziac

    phroziac Road Train Member

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    but its ok to drink booze at home, right? hm.Funny.
     
  9. Roadmedic

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    I guess, but I do not drink either.
     
  10. BigRedRider

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    Injun, instead of presuming to know me or my issues, listen to what I have been saying. I have not complained about "needing to get high", and I am not complaining about DoT standards. In fact, I have made it clear that I am willing to jump through the DoT' hoops so that I can focus on achieving my goal. Say what you want about me and "my chossen medication", fact is that it worked, and it stopped me from having to take five different pills every #### day. Regardless, Not once in any of my posts have a complained about not using marijuana as my current medication. As I have stated, I chose to get the CDL and I stopped using it.

    My original post was asking for advice pertaining to being able to get a job with the circumstances to date, not your own personal opinion of my medication, my chronic pain, or my PTSD. You remind me that I am not the only person dealing with those. Don't think I know that? Spend much time at the VA? I do.

    Your impression is that I am whining, trying to do an end around on the DoT or this industry? Hell no, I accepted what happened, I saw what I have to do to get the CDL and move on from this, and I am doing it. Your judgements of me are unfounded and biased due to your idea of who it is that uses marijuana.

    Should I have given myself some more time before taking my U.A.? Well now I would say of course. But then I walked into it confident. If this mistake will make it so that I cannot work in this industry I am willing to accept that, but don't presume to know me or my circumstances. You have limited knowledge of them, and obviously a biased view of it to start with.
     
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  11. Tazz

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    According to the government yes. To those of us that have no need for chemically induced euphoria:biggrin_2556: Well I for one think your all addicts:biggrin_25523:


    Never understood disliking life so much that I need chemicals to "deal". Don't want to hear about "issues". Don't know don't care.


    To the OP;


    Been nice knowing ya. Most insurance companies are going to deny coverage for you. And most self insured carriers are not going to want the liability of having a drug user on their payroll. Yes they were legally prescribed in your home state. Doesn't change the anything.

    Your only hope is to talk to anybody that will give you the time of day.

    The hoops you will have to jump through are shown here

    http://www.dot.gov/ost/dapc/NEW_DOCS/part40.html?proc#

    sub-part O will have your answer's but all of them depend on a carrier willing to get you right with a SAP, and back in the game. A lot of work for a newbie with no CDL, and no track record.


    Good luck.
     
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