Looking for some new directions to take on the following problem,
Truck: 2003 KW T600 ( no emissions ) with 400ST2 cummins ISX
Problem: cruse is speeding up or/and re-engauging on its own. With cruse on and no input from driver, the cruse will self engage. I'm assuming that it is going to tha last speed setting but I have never let it get there. Hitting the clutch, brake or throwing the on/off switch will kill it but it has come right back on or comes on later at radom intervals. ( with cruse in ON position, it will not engage if OFF ) Cruse has also been speeding up on its own. At first it was only a couple of mph at a time and that was randomly but this week it is doing almost as soon as the cruse is set and it's going to speed up until I either turn off the cruse or try resetting it via the set/resume switch using the coast feature. Before This week that would normally take care of it ( at least for a while ) but now that does not effect it or if it does, as soon as I let go of the switch it speeds up again. At first I noticed it tended to do the above after a rain storm or truck wash. Now it doesn't matter what the weather is. I have also noticed that if cruse is in the ON position but not engaged, I am getting strange issues with the foot throttle. It first though third gears it with vary from acting normal to studdering or simply losing power. Doesn't matter what you do with throttle, it still will act like it is not receiving input until I either touch the clutch or brake pedal. It then acts normal for the rest of that gear. Next gear will start process all over again. I will have normal operation if the cruse switch is OFF. This just started this week as well. I have already replaced both cruse switches think the problem was there. No difference in operation. Still has problem(s). High idle was working ok most of the time but has been known to speed up and slow down on its own. Now it goes to full and stays there until disengaged. It has been known to speed up idle if switch has been left on when you first start the truck. Turning off switch kills that problem. Ideas??
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Cruse control has mind of its own
Discussion in 'Kenworth Forum' started by cptdragn, Dec 9, 2015.
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I have no idea. Never heard of anyone having this issue. But I want to follow along and see what the issue turns out being. If i had to guess, as you've replaced the switches, I'd probably start thinking the ECM. But that would be a last resort due to cost.
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Do you have any type of speed sensor or RPM sensor?
I'm not a mechanic, but it sounds to me that the ECM is getting incorrect input from somewhere. I would guess (and I'm just spitballing here) that you have a fault somewhere between the throttle control and the pedal/cruise function. Either a ground wire has developed a short, or a sensor is shot, or the throttle control (presuming you have a "drive by wire" truck versus one of the older cable driven engines) is acting up.
No, I don't know how to diagnose either issue. Again, not a mechanic. When my rig does dumb stuff like this, I try to diagnose the issue and then call the shop to arrange getting it fixed. I'm generally right about 50% of the time (which puts me head and shoulders above 80% of the fleet, since I actually TRY). But those are the areas I'd look at first. That's gotta be cheaper and faster to fix than replacing the ECM.cptdragn Thanks this. -
ECM's are usually pretty reliable. In layman's terms, they receive inputs from sensors and switches, and send the appropriate outputs based off how it was programmed to respond. Your ECM may be NFG, or its likely just confused by a bad sensor or wiring. You've confirmed the issue only exists when cruise switch is on, which makes me suspect you may have a grounding or chaffed wire somewhere. Not sure specifically about Cummins but I'm leaning towards an intermittent short to power on your accel/deccel switch circuit. That would explain it coming on and increasing in speed at random as the ECM see's the short as a request for an RPM bump.
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Had the same problem a few years back on my t600.
It was speed sensor related of some sort near the tranny wiring connections.
Mine would surge for no reason like a rocket ship up to 90 , 100 , who knows where... and not an easy surge.... I mean like a rocket.
Hope this helps diagnose your problem.
Was a simple fix.cptdragn Thanks this. -
sounds like you have a ghost in your truck
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That's always a possibility too but I'm going to hope for more of a mechanical issue
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Thanks for the input all. I will update the post once I figure out the problem in that it may help another OO in the future.
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