Cruse control has mind of its own

Discussion in 'Kenworth Forum' started by cptdragn, Dec 9, 2015.

  1. cptdragn

    cptdragn Light Load Member

    63
    28
    Jan 4, 2014
    South Ala
    0
    Looking for some new directions to take on the following problem,

    Truck: 2003 KW T600 ( no emissions ) with 400ST2 cummins ISX
    Problem: cruse is speeding up or/and re-engauging on its own. With cruse on and no input from driver, the cruse will self engage. I'm assuming that it is going to tha last speed setting but I have never let it get there. Hitting the clutch, brake or throwing the on/off switch will kill it but it has come right back on or comes on later at radom intervals. ( with cruse in ON position, it will not engage if OFF ) Cruse has also been speeding up on its own. At first it was only a couple of mph at a time and that was randomly but this week it is doing almost as soon as the cruse is set and it's going to speed up until I either turn off the cruse or try resetting it via the set/resume switch using the coast feature. Before This week that would normally take care of it ( at least for a while ) but now that does not effect it or if it does, as soon as I let go of the switch it speeds up again. At first I noticed it tended to do the above after a rain storm or truck wash. Now it doesn't matter what the weather is. I have also noticed that if cruse is in the ON position but not engaged, I am getting strange issues with the foot throttle. It first though third gears it with vary from acting normal to studdering or simply losing power. Doesn't matter what you do with throttle, it still will act like it is not receiving input until I either touch the clutch or brake pedal. It then acts normal for the rest of that gear. Next gear will start process all over again. I will have normal operation if the cruse switch is OFF. This just started this week as well. I have already replaced both cruse switches think the problem was there. No difference in operation. Still has problem(s). High idle was working ok most of the time but has been known to speed up and slow down on its own. Now it goes to full and stays there until disengaged. It has been known to speed up idle if switch has been left on when you first start the truck. Turning off switch kills that problem. Ideas??


    Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPad
     
  2. Truckers Report Jobs

    Trucking Jobs in 30 seconds

    Every month 400 people find a job with the help of TruckersReport.

  3. RustyBolt

    RustyBolt Road Train Member

    2,073
    3,333
    Feb 21, 2015
    Bement, IL
    0
    I have no idea. Never heard of anyone having this issue. But I want to follow along and see what the issue turns out being. If i had to guess, as you've replaced the switches, I'd probably start thinking the ECM. But that would be a last resort due to cost.
     
  4. cptdragn

    cptdragn Light Load Member

    63
    28
    Jan 4, 2014
    South Ala
    0
    Yea, I'm leaning towards ECM as well but wanted some other ideas to check first. Hate to spend that kind of money only to find out it is a broke wire or relay that was the problem.
     
  5. brsims

    brsims Road Train Member

    5,296
    6,521
    Aug 8, 2009
    Meadville, PA
    0
    Do you have any type of speed sensor or RPM sensor?

    I'm not a mechanic, but it sounds to me that the ECM is getting incorrect input from somewhere. I would guess (and I'm just spitballing here) that you have a fault somewhere between the throttle control and the pedal/cruise function. Either a ground wire has developed a short, or a sensor is shot, or the throttle control (presuming you have a "drive by wire" truck versus one of the older cable driven engines) is acting up.

    No, I don't know how to diagnose either issue. Again, not a mechanic. When my rig does dumb stuff like this, I try to diagnose the issue and then call the shop to arrange getting it fixed. I'm generally right about 50% of the time (which puts me head and shoulders above 80% of the fleet, since I actually TRY). But those are the areas I'd look at first. That's gotta be cheaper and faster to fix than replacing the ECM.
     
    cptdragn Thanks this.
  6. AModelCat

    AModelCat Road Train Member

    29,159
    158,627
    Jul 7, 2015
    Canuckistan
    0
    ECM's are usually pretty reliable. In layman's terms, they receive inputs from sensors and switches, and send the appropriate outputs based off how it was programmed to respond. Your ECM may be NFG, or its likely just confused by a bad sensor or wiring. You've confirmed the issue only exists when cruise switch is on, which makes me suspect you may have a grounding or chaffed wire somewhere. Not sure specifically about Cummins but I'm leaning towards an intermittent short to power on your accel/deccel switch circuit. That would explain it coming on and increasing in speed at random as the ECM see's the short as a request for an RPM bump.
     
    cptdragn Thanks this.
  7. jammer910Z

    jammer910Z Road Train Member

    2,446
    6,522
    May 28, 2015
    0
    Had the same problem a few years back on my t600.

    It was speed sensor related of some sort near the tranny wiring connections.

    Mine would surge for no reason like a rocket ship up to 90 , 100 , who knows where... and not an easy surge.... I mean like a rocket.

    Hope this helps diagnose your problem.

    Was a simple fix.
     
    cptdragn Thanks this.
  8. freightwipper

    freightwipper Road Train Member

    9,366
    11,439
    Mar 24, 2014
    OTR
    0
    sounds like you have a ghost in your truck
     
  9. cptdragn

    cptdragn Light Load Member

    63
    28
    Jan 4, 2014
    South Ala
    0
    Thanks for your input. A friend has said somewhat the same thing you have just today. I'm taking it into the shop in the morning to have those items looked at as well. This truck is one of those " fly by wire " trucks with no mechanical connection to the motor. I have wondered if it could have been the problem but what is throwing me off is the fact that the truck seems to operate normally with the cruse switch OFF. I too am hoping its simply a wire that's shorting out or a bad speed sensor, ect due to the progression of the problem. That would be so much cheaper than dealing with replacing or rebuilding the ECM.
     
  10. cptdragn

    cptdragn Light Load Member

    63
    28
    Jan 4, 2014
    South Ala
    0
    ;)That's always a possibility too but I'm going to hope for more of a mechanical issue
     
  11. cptdragn

    cptdragn Light Load Member

    63
    28
    Jan 4, 2014
    South Ala
    0
    Thanks for the input all. I will update the post once I figure out the problem in that it may help another OO in the future.
     
  • Truckers Report Jobs

    Trucking Jobs in 30 seconds

    Every month 400 people find a job with the help of TruckersReport.